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I work with someone that looks a lot like you and is totally INFj. Like, without a doubt, despite that I barely know her. Therefore, you are definitely INFj.
Originally Posted by Logos
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I pity your souls
I was stuck between thinking you were INFj and ISFj because I could see you being either, but after that last thread (can't think of where it is but i'm guessing you know which one I mean) I think you're ISFj.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
- VI. Diana has the classic spaced-out Ne look in her eyes in the pictures I've seen, as well as the video.
- Her video. Diana does not come across like any Se-ego type I've seen or met before. She doesn't have much in the way of physical energy or exuberance; even an Se-IJ shows signs of being very connected and having a kind of energy. When Expat and I met in person, one of the things he used to discount SLE as a type option for me was this idea of Se types obviously having "something there," a kind of force or energy that lets you know that they're in touch and ready for what comes at them. I don't have this, and neither does Diana.
- Ne. Diana talks about being able to see her options and come up with possible scenarios and how she'd like them to develop, but has a hard time deciding which one will work out the best given the applicable environmental conditions. This is exactly how NF-ST couples operate.
- Ne vs Se. I never see Diana talking about much anything related to Se, other than when she's talking specifically about Se. She does make pretty obvious use of Ne, though, as I've pointed out elsewhere.
That's all I can think of for now.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
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OMG DIANA IS HUMAN YOU'RE KIDDING MEOriginally Posted by Gilly
you pulled that out of your assgiven the applicable environmental conditions
Diana, which do you relate to better?
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Originally Posted by B
diana i get more of an infj vibe from you. it seems like you have Ne. and some of our interactions remind me of some of those i have with my father who is also an infj.
if you were isfj, i'd feel more repelled. and i don't!
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those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
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I still think Diana could be an ISFj subtype. She appears more assertive and confident as compared to INFjs.
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Which is Ne PolR.
Personally, I know both INFjs and ISFjs of the Fi sub-type, and I don't notice a very strong difference between them. It doesn't matter if you're one or either, in my honest opinion.
However, your actual situation seems to be described best by this:
Abstract Fi
GRAVITY, COMPLIANCE & CONSTRUCT-CREATING are very high and increasing slowly.
DEMOCRACY, TACITURN, NEGATIVISM & RESULTS are high and decreasing.
CAREFREE, TACTICAL, RESOLUTE & AGGRESSIVE are moderate and decreasing rapidly.
The IJ has had a revelation of the limits of his personal ability. He seeks safety from the environment, he seeks support that he simultaneously feels he’s unworthy of. He wallows and yearns for someone to come and rescue him yet he makes no effort to cause this to happen preferring to remember again and again the memories of events that caused his sorry state to come about. Fatalism. The IJ is trying to find certain knowledge of his contribution to society and the more certainty he seeks the less he finds.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
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First of all, I don't think there's anything bad in feeling sorry for one's self, it's just a condition. It can be changed for the better, for sure, but since it's personal and it doesn't actively impact in a negative way over anybody else, it's not problematic.Originally Posted by Diana
Secondly, my reasoning is almost completely determined by connection between what you recount of yourself and what is written in that thread by smilingeyes. In actuality, when you talk about the energy you need in order to be able to tend your kids, deal with your ex-husband, and get on with life, you probably are more at this stage:
Another approach would be to say that INFj is your main type, but the situation is forcing you to behave like an ISFj.Concrete Se
CAREFREE, TACTICAL, RESOLUTE & AGGRESSIVE are very high and decreasing slowly.
DEMOCRACY, TACITURN, NEGATIVISM & RESULTS are high and increasing.
GRAVITY, COMPLIANCE & CONSTRUCT-CREATING are moderate and increasing rapidly.
Speed blindness. Doing many things to maintain power and momentum. Confidence over own ability but loss of understanding the big picture. Flailing about the IJ is in great need of advice. The IJ is creating such complexity with his own actions that he is slowly binding himself into more duties than he can handle. He is running into an increasing amount of obstacles and tiring himself.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
It's great to know you use the Wiki as reference, since I wrote so much of it, including a lot of what you quoted
Diana's ISFj-Fi. Gamma not Delta.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
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I think we should really just focus on functions, not some look in your eyes or whatever, or how much energy a single mom of 4 has. In the other thread it really sounded like you are made anxious by Ne.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
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you were hitting that punching bag... I rest my case.
Shit bg, you beat me to it. I was about to just say a random type. It seems pretty much every type is considered. My vote for ESTp was going to be an entire pisstake. And it turns out that ESTp is a serious consideration.
Really? I've only seen two types with the same leading function considered.Originally Posted by Ezra
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Fair enough. But look at dee. He looks at every type, even though originally it was limited. It´s only a matter of time before Diana goes "oooh, actually, I don´t know what I am. I´ll consider every type!"
Dee's new here...Originally Posted by Ezra
Diana has been here for a long time and she's only considered those two types. dee doesn't know Socionics well enough to get an idea of what type he is. And I can't be bothered reading his thread because what I've read is kind of annoying. I can make guesses based on that but they're just guesses.Originally Posted by Ezra
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
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So what are the types that are genuinely in consideration at the moment - in yours and no one else´s eyes.
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In Gilligan's case it's simple. You fit into the INFj category of his Ti understanding of VI, and everything else he's Ne bullshitting to support his VI conclusion.Originally Posted by Diana
Joy, please.
I think Gilligan has given very good arguments for INFj. In the video Diana struck me as INFj and in no way ISFj-Fi. She has the same kind of tendency to ramble and go off on tangents in her posts as other Ne ego types (and especially Delta NFs).
ISFj or I'm INFj.
People don't see Se because you're not confrontational. But there's another way Se shows up. When we get into arguments about things like abortion, you are very solid and won't budge and make it very clear that you are absolutely sure you are right and there is no validity to my point of view. That is also Se. Ne types are more likely to say, "Well, I can see how you feel that way based on your experience . . . but . . ." There's none of that from you. You have a very firm set of beliefs. When my INFj born-again Christian sister and I butt heads about these issues, she always backs away from the arguments a bit. She won't change her mind, but she'll hedge a bit in her speech and try to find some common ground in the discussion.
That would be where I see Se in you. And, again, in the other thread you acted anxious about Ne.
Edited to add that I am NOT going to debate abortion here in this thread with anyone (I don't think you would Diana but I know that's always a hot topic).
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
And I'm not saying INFjs aren't firm in their beliefs. My sister is firm in her beliefs, but she wants to get out of arguments and will make it sound like she's less firm if she thinks I'll back down. But I am under the impression that you would specifically not want to say anything that would make anyone think even slightly that you would ever back down. Se.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Of course, she uses Ne, just like everyone else. But I've never seen her use Se.Originally Posted by Joy
Huh?you pulled that out of your assgiven the applicable environmental conditions
And don't try that description highlighting bullshit. It means nothing to anyone but you in your little fantasy Socionics world, and maybe a few people foolish enough to buy into your crap.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
What types of environmental conditions are you referring to?Originally Posted by Gilly
Ok Joy, since you can't seem to muster a brain of your own...
The way I see it, Diana has her ideas of what she'd like to do, and can see how they'd flesh out if they worked out ideally. However, she needs someone to come in and tell her "Well, this idea won't work because x" where x is some aspect or property of reality that will interfere with the "ideal" outcome - Ne needing Te.
Expat, do you have any reasons other than Quadra values? I don't know where you guys are getting the from...
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...