Originally Posted by ScarlettLux
You know we have to accept eachothers insanity.
SL is obviously IEI.
Have you ever spoken to me? No...
So, like... totally... uh... like ohmaigosh... Don't comment in areas whereof you are ignorant.
Talk to me for five minutes and it's obvious I'm LSI; it's an almost universal consensus among those who've done so.
And you're clearly IEI. Gamma my ass. ST my ass. EIE my ass.
IEI my assent.
EIE.
Last edited by discojoe; 05-25-2011 at 10:44 PM. Reason: gaff
+1, I didn't even notice that.
Shit yeah they are!
I think EIE is more likely.
It's true SL. He's quite clearly LSI.
Okay, I just looked at her Facebook, and I think EIE now. Yeah, I never bothered before, but it's obvious if you look at the sheer volume of pics and friends and WHOAAAA dramatic wall posts.
Is this too personal? I'm not saying anything you can use to identify her, but *shrug,* etc.
ezra ahahhhaha
okay that really offended me DJ when you used the valley girl speak. just b/c im feminine, young, like pink and may come across "shallow" on this forum b/c i dont engage so much in abstract theoretical socionics talk as some ppl on here does not mean i am stupid.
but i will concede that i have not spoken to him directly so i will refrain from casting such a solidified judgment w/o further interaction
You remember that one part in The Mummy? You know, the shitty Brenden Frasier movie? Well there was that one part where there were the beetles. And they would pop out of the wall and burrow under your skin and then, like, travel their way up your arm to your head where they would eat your brain or something. And they had to cut one out of the annoying little boy and having a beetle tunnel through his arm didn't really seem to fuck him up too much but whatever.
The point is that discoejoe is that beetle. And he is always trying to burrow under your skin. And if you let him, he will tunnel his way up to your brain and eat it. So you just have to let him not get under your skin.
Exactly. I meant it was even noticeable on here beforehand, but after being around Facebook, it was pretty intensely EIE.
You look hot in that pic btw.
Yeah, dj, she isn't stupid.okay that really offended me DJ when you used the valley girl speak. just b/c im feminine, young, like pink and may come across "shallow" on this forum b/c i dont engage so much in abstract theoretical socionics talk as some ppl on here does not mean i am stupid.
but i will concede that i have not spoken to him directly so i will refrain from casting such a solidified judgment w/o further interaction
But I'm pretty sure he didn't use valley speak?
I'm not that clever. From my perspective I'm just fucking around.
That said, if I want to get under your skin, I will.
Ya
She's only two feet tall though.You look hot in that pic btw.
LIEK OMIGOSH MIRITEYeah, dj, she isn't stupid.
But I'm pretty sure he didn't use valley speak?
heh. you guys are all too young to remember true valley girl speak.
IEI-Fe 4w3
Whatever, the 1990s caricatures of it are good enough.
I omitted, out of courtesy, "for a Chinese person".
Give us a lesson!
Your face has a Chinese accent, if you catch my meaning.
hahahahahaha
oh, come on. I´m sure Se in SLE can make people do stuff out of fear or weakness or something. Se is not bad at sensing what buttons to push, how easily people give in and and all sortd of "power vacuums". Now use that without any regard for the man´s subjectivity (man is just generic lol) and you can get some really nice abusive behavior if you want to. Now I´ve known several SLEs and though some may have had certain tendencies to test boundaries, they were pretty healthy individuals who could respect others who showed similarly reasonable levels of health. I have no doubt it´s not just type, but also enneagram motivations gone wrong that actually accounts for extremes like the one you describe. Someone already explained what the 4s´ fascination with destruction and void may look like from their own eyes ....
Last edited by Amber; 01-18-2014 at 09:45 AM.
This is was my favorite part from SLE descriptions. The IEIs are virtually performing a self-sacrificial service for the rest of the socion by being duals to such individuals:
Male SLI should be put into prison immediately after getting typed - bandits no lesser than SLEs. But if SLE is at least honest about his banditism, then SLI sometimes purely by chance manages to present himself as a decent person... SLEs should be sent to prison right after getting typed: they'll end up there anyways or try to buy out the persecutor. Thus it's better to place them there preventively. (link)
And since socionics descriptions are true in general, we should follow the author's advice and brand all you right after typing to track you for potential underhanded activities
Last edited by silke; 01-18-2014 at 10:29 PM.
Uhu. Let's cherrypick all the worrisome bits from IEI descriptions, but discount anything negative written about SLEs as a joke. Talk about inconsistency. Those descriptions were compiled from someone's real life observations of this type, and since we're engaging in all sorts of generalization fallacies in this thread, how about some handcuffs?
But wait for it, it gets better:
The SEE's program is democratic and positivist, as opposed to authoritarian and negativist program of SLE, often expressed in a cynical, cruel, tyrannical and unbridled manifestation of "evil", "black" power, that creates alternative ("shadow") power structures and thus manifesting the destructive expression of "dark forces" or "evil", "black" will.
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In world history, in everyday life, interpersonal relations of sociotypes within society, the program function of SLE often manifests as a destructive, evil force that does not recognize any laws except the power of his unbridled will and desires. Which grow and fall on anyone who dares to resists the will of his "abuser " in a form of a rampant "volcanic eruption" that floods and overwhelms everyone around itself by an endless avalanche of incredibly fierce anger and aggression, an avalanche that upon "cooling down" and solidifying in its destructive action, suppresses the personal will and kills the personal initiative of each person buried under it. And for a long time keeps him in enslaved and oppressed condition, terrorizing him with fear and boundless in its cynicism cruelty.
I'll do the split tomorrow when I've had time to read the whole thread, unless someone else gets to it first.
Last edited by silke; 01-18-2014 at 10:29 PM.
...Where are you guys getting these descriptions from.
Edit: Nevermind, saw it. Funny descriptions, although not official descriptions and created as a joke, they are pretty much true. They capture the negative sides of all types...
Last edited by Leader; 01-19-2014 at 08:13 PM.
....Were very aware of how we come off..those times that we come off aggressive and rude, in a negative light...we just don't give a fuck at that moment.
I'm not aware of how I come off. I care a lot about it that is one of the reasons why I persistently push my point. Not because I'm aiming for aggression but because I can't tell.
Opposites
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
ESTp care about being around good people that they can trust.
They are very aware of their moral responsibilities...but sometimes life throws difficult situations at you and even the most morally aware person is challenged to fight emotion and the responsible things to do.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
That's exactly what he said. He knows them but may over ride them because he doesn't care.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I know how I appear, it may be hard to come control my emotions sometimes or I might say something a little bit too over the top in the moment just because, however so i'll get a reaction that I did not intend on getting. Rules on how to behave or not, I see them...I understand them, if I don't choose to follow them it is because I do not care. Not because I did not understand. These ethical rules can be understood by Ti, but with my emotions...they wont effect my thinking, but I can choose whether or not I succumb to them, I end up not giving a fuck and will be swayed by them...,how I react ends up being situational. But im ALWAYs aware of what im doing and of how people see me (im not a mind reader, but my SeTi is sharp enough to determine whats going on). and I understand why too.
Im not unaware of my Fe either...its just that I have powerful emotions and my Se is strong...I can get hyper and get carried away in the moment by my emotions if I ever let go, whether that be with excitement or anger. Then I end up coming across as cocky and an asshole or just obnoxious because its too much/too aggressive.
LSE just like destroying people's inner emotional lives. They hurt you and sit back to watch and see what you will do...what your actions are. I'm a first hand victim of this type of abuse.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I dunno, im probably sounding redundant with my posts right now. But, yes im aware of creating the bad feelings in people due to what I see by their behavior or what they say. People cannot hide what they are feeling, even the best actors. There are subtleties that I pick up on to understand whats going on inside, then I can just put myself in their shoes. My Fi polr is simply my relation towards others and theirs toward me...its uncomfortable, I kinda want to be good friends with almost everyone, but its hard for me to establish close connections. I don't like disliking people and I dont like them disliking me, and at the same time its kind of hard to trust people and let them close to me as well.
Yes, sometimes I behave recklessly, I might end up doing something that I would have regret, but im usually very deliberate. The times I get carried away are the times that I cause trouble. Ethical rules and such, are pretty much common sense, or I can just use my Ti to logically deduce what is acceptable and whats not before I act.
Edit: Nvm I see what you posted ^^^^
Um. I just find that my SLE friends say the wrong things to people. I can see where Fi valuer may devalue a certain relation but still sort of put that person in a hierarchical framework, like saying "you're not going to be my friend but you're still a neighbor so I'll just keep it at that...as far away from certain types of interaction as possible" But, what SLE do is just say things that people walk away from them...for example, "Women are to be mothers and take care of the home." While this is a fact in some cases, stating this out loud, this conclusion about the role of a woman, gives some women the impression that SLE are misogynists and that they are being male chauvinists, when really SLE may be stating a fact through reality. But after having noticed that say one person was offended at their comment, instead of saying "oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like that" to reestablish the bonds of relations, they'll say something opposite of that effort which is "that gay B****, she can't take a joke" hahahaha...this was my friend last Sunday.
I told him, "no one's gonna want to be your friend if you keep being abrasive like this"
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
it's easier if you divide the world into friends and enemies. why do this inbetween complication and try and accomodate other people's insecurities unless it's towards some greater purpose.Um. I just find that my SLE friends say the wrong things to people. I can see where Fi valuer may devalue a certain relation but still sort of put that person in a hierarchical framework, like saying "you're not going to be my friend but you're still a neighbor so I'll just keep it at that...as far away from certain types of interaction as possible" But, what SLE do is just say things that people walk away from them...for example, "Women are to be mothers and take care of the home." While this is a fact in some cases, stating this out loud, this conclusion about the role of a woman, gives some women the impression that SLE are misogynists and that they are being male chauvinists, when really SLE may be stating a fact through reality. But after having noticed that say one person was offended at their comment, instead of saying "oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like that" to reestablish the bonds of relations, they'll say something opposite of that effort which is "that gay B****, she can't take a joke" hahahaha...this was my friend last Sunday.
I told him, "no one's gonna want to be your friend if you keep being abrasive like this"
there's no such thing as enemies...we're not at war and even if we were, we're fighting for something other than liking one another I hope, something like a cause
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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