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    http://www.socionics.com/prof/estp2.htm

    This is not even remotely close to a male estp, infact I would believe the other person to be an estp rather than the once described. Maybe it's different for females, but if it is there are drastic difference between male and female estp's!

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    that doesn't sound like me at all, and I'm a female SLE. But it's not like I'm insulted by the estp uncovered at all either.
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    I know a male SLE who sounds like the female in that uncovered profile.
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    bwahahahah...

    actually, that sounds a bit more like my wife at times ("believe" she's ISFj) when she's feeling ultra-senstive. It has to do with tending to hold emotions within themselves until something small like this triggers it and they all come gushing out. I really don't think that sounds very ESTp-ish either, but don't listen to me. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzblut
    that doesn't sound like me at all, and I'm a female SLE. But it's not like I'm insulted by the estp uncovered at all either.
    No, but the fact it's from http://www.socionics.com/ is dissapointing that they gave increadibly inaccurate or exaggerated description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    I know a male SLE who sounds like the female in that uncovered profile.
    is he gay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigEars
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    I know a male SLE who sounds like the female in that uncovered profile.
    is he gay?
    speaking of gay...

    http://www.pizazz.info/pizazz.mov

    lol, sorry, I couldn't resist. I wonder what type he is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigEars
    Quote Originally Posted by Herzblut
    that doesn't sound like me at all, and I'm a female SLE. But it's not like I'm insulted by the estp uncovered at all either.
    No, but the fact it's from http://www.socionics.com/ is dissapointing that they gave increadibly inaccurate or exaggerated description.
    I'm guessing that it might be because the author is INTj, and he made it like that because we're his Supervisor in Socionics. That's just a guess, though.
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    Yeah. That guy freaks me out. So much people view socionics.com as authority and they believe the stuff on the site much. He is biased mostly about INFps. Maybe some INFp chick has ruined his sensitive emotions in school.

    Some ESTp girls I know are like that but noone to THAT degree. This article is mostly for fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krae
    Yeah. That guy freaks me out. So much people view socionics.com as authority and they believe the stuff on the site much. He is biased mostly about INFps. Maybe some INFp chick has ruined his sensitive emotions in school.
    I thought the INFp description was pretty accurate for me but yeah he was a bit over-the-edge nasty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigEars
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    I know a male SLE who sounds like the female in that uncovered profile.
    is he gay?
    No (at least we don't think he is ). Actually, I was talking about what he is like when he was with his girlfriend. I don't know if all SLEs are like this, but have you ever been in a relationship?

    Example of SLE guy:

    -Are you going away for a week because you don't want to see me?
    -No, I just have to go because my parents are bringing me.
    -You're mad at me, aren't you?
    -No! I just have to go. I don't have a choice...
    -Are you upset with me?
    -No...
    -You want to break up with me, don't you?
    -It's not that...
    -If you weren't mad with me, then why do you want to spend time away from me?
    -I don't know.
    -You're going to leave me, aren't you?
    -Yeah, maybe I'll start dating Rocky... (j/k )


    Quote Originally Posted by Artemis
    the INFp description was pretty accurate for me but yeah he was a bit over-the-edge nasty.
    The guy who wrote the uncovereds did not right the other description.
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    LOL ROFL! I have herpes dude. Although, I haven't actually been involved in a relationship in about 5 months. I tend not to stay with women too long for a few reasons. I am still very immature, I handle my responsibilities well (ex:school payments, family, my health) but I still have alot of kid in me. I am very free-spirited so being tied down is alot of trouble sometimes. I just don't feel like taking a quiz when I get home, you know? But in truth I am a hopeless hopeless romatic.
    Anyway, I believe all women except my mom are conniving bitches until they prove me wrong. THIS IS VERY MUCH A JOKE PLEASE NO HATE MAIL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by BigEars
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    I know a male SLE who sounds like the female in that uncovered profile.
    is he gay?
    No (at least we don't think he is ). Actually, I was talking about what he is like when he was with his girlfriend. I don't know if all SLEs are like this, but have you ever been in a relationship?

    Example of SLE guy:

    -Are you going away for a week because you don't want to see me?
    -No, I just have to go because my parents are bringing me.
    -You're mad at me, aren't you?
    -No! I just have to go. I don't have a choice...
    -Are you upset with me?
    -No...
    -You want to break up with me, don't you?
    -It's not that...
    -If you weren't mad with me, then why do you want to spend time away from me?
    -I don't know.
    -You're going to leave me, aren't you?
    -Yeah, maybe I'll start dating Rocky... (j/k )


    Quote Originally Posted by Artemis
    the INFp description was pretty accurate for me but yeah he was a bit over-the-edge nasty.
    The guy who wrote the uncovereds did not right the other description.
    There is a descrepancy with this, the ESTp male would know if they were lying and wouldn't keep asking. It's not just tone of voice or body language, we know for some reason, it's like you know when you are hungry well we know if someone is telling the truth. But this may be only with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigEars
    There is a descrepancy with this, the ESTp male would know if they were lying and wouldn't keep asking. It's not just tone of voice or body language, we know for some reason, it's like you know when you are hungry well we know if someone is telling the truth. But this may be only with me.
    Wait, what you are describing sounds more like an ESFP (SEE).

    And what I wrote is pretty much a paraphrase of a discussion that I heard between one SLE and his girlfriend (so it's not just made up or a generalization).

    EDIT: I'd like to mention that a lot of SEE men are more masculine than SLEs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky

    Wait, what you are describing sounds more like an ESFP (SEE).

    And what I wrote is pretty much a paraphrase of a discussion that I heard between one SLE and his girlfriend (so it's not just made up or a generalization).
    No, it's completely possible. But I think trying to describe something like how a conversation goes between two people is very very hard to do. People are all different, I mean same personality types have things in common, but individually we are all very weird in our own way. We still have our things we all do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigEars
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky

    Wait, what you are describing sounds more like an ESFP (SEE).

    And what I wrote is pretty much a paraphrase of a discussion that I heard between one SLE and his girlfriend (so it's not just made up or a generalization).
    No, it's completely possible. But I think trying to describe something like how a conversation goes between two people is very very hard to do. People are all different, I mean same personality types have things in common, but individually we are all very weird in our own way. We still have our things we all do.
    I meant the way you were saying how you just "know" when people are telling the truth, how people fell, etc... that is the Fi function. SEEs (Sensory-ethical Extratim) have a strong Fi, where as SLEs have a weak Fi. That is why SLEs are stereotyped to ask things like Sergie Ganin and I wrote. They DON'T know, so they have to be sure, which is why they ask, over and over again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by BigEars
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky

    Wait, what you are describing sounds more like an ESFP (SEE).

    And what I wrote is pretty much a paraphrase of a discussion that I heard between one SLE and his girlfriend (so it's not just made up or a generalization).
    No, it's completely possible. But I think trying to describe something like how a conversation goes between two people is very very hard to do. People are all different, I mean same personality types have things in common, but individually we are all very weird in our own way. We still have our things we all do.
    I meant the way you were saying how you just "know" when people are telling the truth, how people fell, etc... that is the Fi function. SEEs (Sensory-ethical Extratim) have a strong Fi, where as SLEs have a weak Fi. That is why SLEs are stereotyped to ask things like Sergie Ganin and I wrote. They DON'T know, so they have to be sure, which is why they ask, over and over again.
    When an SLE/ESTp knows someone they THINK logically about what they know of them. In turn, allows them to make an exact prediction on what they are going to do base on previous RESULTS. So when they get this feeling like they KNOW they actually do. In this type of conversation when you know the reciever.

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    Default ESTp uncovered

    http://www.socionics.com/prof/estp2.htm

    ESTp uncovered

    A female ESTp comes home...

    - Hey, darling, I'm home!
    - Cool!
    - Don't you want to come and give me a kiss?
    - Yeah, in a minute!
    - Is something wrong?
    - No, nothing's wrong!
    - Are you not happy to see me?
    - Of course I am happy to see you!
    - So why don't you want to come then?
    - I do, let me just finish something first!
    - Is it more important to you than me?
    - Oh, please, don't start!
    - You don't love me, I know!
    - Of course I do, don't be silly!
    - If you loved me, you wouldn't do this to me!
    - Do what?
    - This!
    - Just because I can't drop everything right this second, I don't love you?
    - Not this!
    - Then what?
    - You don't want me anymore!
    - What? Where does this come from?
    - You should know better!
    - Give me at least a hint!
    - See? Now you are mad at me too! You hate me!
    - I am not mad at you and I don't hate you! Now stop it!
    - And you don't love me either!
    - I love you, I love you, I love you! How many more times I have to say this?
    - You don't mean it!
    - I love you and I mean it! Now stop this nonsense, I have had enough of it!
    - Maybe you have had enough of me too?
    - Maybe...

    Female ESTp breaks down in tears...

    well I'm offended...


    why is it a female ESTp?
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    Because males think that, but society imposes us to look strong, and therefore we aren't going to state it so openly.

    Can you imagine a male estp being taken seriously after that tirade? A girl, instead, can totally get away with that.

    With males the paranoia comes up in subtler ways, more like ->
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    Daniel does that (minus the tears).
    Its more like he wants my attention at all times no matter what and if I seriously won't give it to him, he becomes paranoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton
    Seems like fairly typical male behavior to me.

    that's a pretty big box you're throwing around male behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton
    Seems like fairly typical male behavior to me.

    that's a pretty big box you're throwing around male behavior.
    I agree. I'm NOTHING like that.

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    None of the guys I've been with were anything like that... of course, none of them had a Fe hidden agenda either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG

    With males the paranoia comes up in subtler ways, more like ->
    LOL yeah

    They don't really seem to SAY it, but they are still telling with their eyes that they don't think you are giving them enough attention.

    I didn't realize this was posted here, and already typed something about so I guess I'll repeat a little.

    When my ESTp does this, I end up getting angry. I say, "I'm sick you using guilt trips to get more attention, when I'm already giving you plenty." Maybe with an added, "You already know how I feel about you *incert something really nice*" If i'm not TOO angry.

    He usually folds after I get angry, and says something like, "I just wanted you is all. *incert pouty face*"


    I think the female thing is bullshit too, because males do the same thing, except obviously some do it with facial expressions and body language. And any female ESTp could do the same thing.

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    ESTps who behave this way should be CRUSHED.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    ESTps who behave this way should be CRUSHED.
    I'm ESTp, and even I agree whole heartedly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    ESTps who behave this way should be CRUSHED.
    I can't help but agreeing.
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    Sounds kinda weird like an ESTP with really low self esteem. Kinda annoying. The one thing I admire about ESTPs is their ability to hide their vulnerable side in a way that most people can't and be all manly and tough even though on the inside, there's turmoil. *drools*
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    ESTp uncovered

    A female ESTp comes home...

    - Hey, darling, I'm home!
    - Cool!
    - Don't you want to come and give me a kiss?
    - Yeah, in a minute!
    - Is something wrong?
    - No, nothing's wrong!
    - Are you not happy to see me?
    - Of course I am happy to see you!
    - So why don't you want to come then?
    - I do, let me just finish something first!
    - Is it more important to you than me?
    - Oh, please, don't start!
    - You don't love me, I know!
    - Of course I do, don't be silly!
    - If you loved me, you wouldn't do this to me!
    - Do what?
    - This!
    - Just because I can't drop everything right this second, I don't love you?
    - Not this!
    - Then what?
    - You don't want me anymore!
    - What? Where does this come from?
    - You should know better!
    - Give me at least a hint!
    - See? Now you are mad at me too! You hate me!
    - I am not mad at you and I don't hate you! Now stop it!
    - And you don't love me either!
    - I love you, I love you, I love you! How many more times I have to say this?
    - You don't mean it!
    - I love you and I mean it! Now stop this nonsense, I have had enough of it!
    - Maybe you have had enough of me too?
    - Maybe...

    Female ESTp breaks down in tears...
    It seems like the relationship had been going downhill for a long time up to that point. Most ESTps I know do not expose their gaping hidden agenda like that. Now, if "my" ESTp DID do that, I'd be all over her with squeezing and kissing followed immediately by a big smack upside the head for acting like a dumbshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby
    It seems like the relationship had been going downhill for a long time up to that point. Most ESTps I know do not expose their gaping hidden agenda like that. Now, if "my" ESTp DID do that, I'd be all over her with squeezing and kissing followed immediately by a big smack upside the head for acting like a dumbshit.
    Heh, that`s an excellent way to deal with her. I love the smack part ahahahah.
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    I admire about ESTPs is their ability to hide their vulnerable side in a way that most people can't and be all manly and tough even though on the inside, there's turmoil.
    ditto

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    thanks to this thread, I realized that my brother in law is ESTp



    now that I think about it, it makes perfect sense... it hadn't crossed my mind before because he's SO ridiculously emotional and irrational and illogical and... you get the idea... but he's got some brain problems that explain those things
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    Yeah, he looks like an SLE acquaintance of mine. Though my acquaintance is of the milder and more logical kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    http://www.socionics.com/prof/estp2.htm

    ESTp uncovered

    A female ESTp comes home...

    - Hey, darling, I'm home!
    - Cool!
    - Don't you want to come and give me a kiss?
    - Yeah, in a minute!
    - Is something wrong?
    - No, nothing's wrong!
    - Are you not happy to see me?
    - Of course I am happy to see you!
    - So why don't you want to come then?
    - I do, let me just finish something first!
    - Is it more important to you than me?
    - Oh, please, don't start!
    - You don't love me, I know!
    - Of course I do, don't be silly!
    - If you loved me, you wouldn't do this to me!
    - Do what?
    - This!
    - Just because I can't drop everything right this second, I don't love you?
    - Not this!
    - Then what?
    - You don't want me anymore!
    - What? Where does this come from?
    - You should know better!
    - Give me at least a hint!
    - See? Now you are mad at me too! You hate me!
    - I am not mad at you and I don't hate you! Now stop it!
    - And you don't love me either!
    - I love you, I love you, I love you! How many more times I have to say this?
    - You don't mean it!
    - I love you and I mean it! Now stop this nonsense, I have had enough of it!
    - Maybe you have had enough of me too?
    - Maybe...

    Female ESTp breaks down in tears...

    well I'm offended...


    why is it a female ESTp?
    Why is it an ESTp at all? This is a description of an insecure person, not someone with an Fe hidden agenda. It sounds like someone thought "Hmm, the over-simplified catchphrase for the ESTp hidden agenda is 'to be loved,' so a good example of that must be someone who is obsessively demanding to be told he/she is loved!'" Which is bs, and a strong indication of the lack of insight of whomever thought this exemplified the ESTp HA.
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    yeah... I think we've established that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    yeah... I think we've established that
    Apparently not. Most of the previous posts seemed to accept that this describes ESTps. Which is possible in that it describes an insecure person, and insecure people can be ESTps. But insecure people can be other types as well. Specifically attributing this behavior to ESTps is a misinformed and overly simplistic interpretation of the Fe HA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    yeah... I think we've established that
    Apparently not. Most of the previous posts seemed to accept that this describes ESTps. Which is possible in that it describes an insecure person, and insecure people can be ESTps. But insecure people can be other types as well. Specifically attributing this behavior to ESTps is a misinformed and overly simplistic interpretation of the Fe HA.

    I accepted the underlying notion. The "to be loved" stuff. I said in my experience, ESTp's do do that, except they don't SAY those things. You just know they are feeling that way and they do their own version of pouting, because they try to disguise pouting so as not to seem childish/weak etc.

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    My ex-wife did this a lot back when she was ESTp. She used to veil these outbursts as attacks and she used to be slightly better at it than the person described but basically it was the same thing.
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    ESTp’s will also get all confused, and distressed when you wont have sex with them... especially if they’re players, and used to getting what they want. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall
    ESTp’s will also get all confused, and distressed when you wont have sex with them... especially if they’re players, and used to getting what they want. :wink:
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just described my teenage years.

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