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    C-IEE, imo. That, or possibly C-SEI. -valuing Ethical Irrational is bloody obvious.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    No. Are you retarded? She is as Beta as they come. SLE probably.
    Yea, I can definitely see a SLE making a career singing emotionally driven albums. It must get to you to study Socionics for 6 years and still suck at typing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoshyant View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    No. Are you retarded? She is as Beta as they come. SLE probably.
    Yea, I can definitely see a SLE making a career singing emotionally driven albums. It must get to you to study Socionics for 6 years and still suck at typing.
    1) If this is sarcasm, the joke's on you. Emotionally charged music is a Beta specialty -- particularly Beta NF.

    2) That said, Amy Winehouse as a Decisive type is beyond stupid.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Taking a look at her now, but I'm getting weird ISFp vibes.



    She doesn't really seem distracted or hyper-observant enough to warrant Se ego, or EP for that matter imo.

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    she's dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoshyant View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    No. Are you retarded? She is as Beta as they come. SLE probably.
    Yea, I can definitely see a SLE making a career singing emotionally driven albums. It must get to you to study Socionics for 6 years and still suck at typing.
    Lol look at this guy
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    Lack of facial expressiveness and general emoting for Alpha SF IMO, except maybe Si-SEI, which I just don't really see. She has a similar brand of shyness as my parents' SLE goddaughter who I grew up with. Typical SLE nonchalance, probably Ti sub 7w8 sx/so.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Lack of facial expressiveness and general emoting for Alpha SF IMO, except maybe Si-SEI, which I just don't really see.
    Yes, she probably isn't Fe-ego. Why assume she's Fe-valuing at all?
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    sadly i never heard of Amy Winehouse before her untimely death, but WOW what an incredible voice!!!!

    May she rest in peace. And hopefully learn from her mistakes and not repeat them in her next life...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Lack of facial expressiveness and general emoting for Alpha SF IMO, except maybe Si-SEI, which I just don't really see. She has a similar brand of shyness as my parents' SLE goddaughter who I grew up with. Typical SLE nonchalance, probably Ti sub 7w8 sx/so.
    She reminds me of an American Si-ISFp girl I knew in Japan, but more coked up. This girl wasn't overtly emotive either, and has the same sort of shyness like Winehouse seems to have/had in interviews. To me Winehouse doesn't seem so much nonchalant as she is just, uhm, depressed and trying to cover it up, which seems to be a common theme in her music. Or just coked up, lol. I tentatively agree with sx/so, but if she was ISFp I'd probably say 6w7 then.

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    Watching her interview and the way she presents herself reminds me of Sofia Coppola, whom I think is Si-ISFp


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    Soppppphhhhiiiiiaaaaa SEI

    I'm changing my mind about Amy, she seems to be a P type; SLI
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    sadly i never heard of Amy Winehouse before her untimely death, but WOW what an incredible voice!!!!
    Where do you live, Workaholics? (Genuine question)

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    Well according to that one guy's body language typing she seems like a brusque introvert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaudiaM View Post
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    sadly i never heard of Amy Winehouse before her untimely death, but WOW what an incredible voice!!!!
    Where do you live, Workaholics? (Genuine question)
    Why does where i live have anything to do with anything?

    In answer to your REAL question , i dont care that much about following pop culture. Most of it is garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaudiaM View Post

    Where do you live, Workaholics? (Genuine question)
    Why does where i live have anything to do with anything?

    In answer to your REAL question , i dont care that much about following pop culture. Most of it is garbage.
    I asked my real question

    If you lived in the USA or England, etc. and didn't know about Winehouse, I could have deduced for myself that you don't follow pop culture. Whereas if you lived in Russia or Mexico or someplace where I would expect Winehouse to be less known, that would also have satisfied my curiosity.

    Don't assume you know my "secret" intentions or that I am not direct, please; I am one of the most direct people I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post

    In answer to your REAL question , i dont care that much about following pop culture. Most of it is garbage.
    What culture do you follow then? We're all ears.


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    Ok, i'm american.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CILi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post

    Why does where i live have anything to do with anything?

    In answer to your REAL question , i dont care that much about following pop culture. Most of it is garbage.
    Garbage that facilitates easy conversation with a whole lotta people and, thus, ups the chance of -bonds about a billion-fold.

    Worth the effort, sometimes.
    Well true enough... I am peripherally aware, but i dont go to great lengths to be "in the know", mostly because i'm busy interested in a million other things that may or may not be pop culture. And so that means, sometimes i miss great people like Amy Winehouse. I mean, i have to say, i have heard the name before but i never know what she did or what sort of music she produced.

    Maybe even i've heard her music and just didn't know it was her.

    But ur right Cili, it is something that can facilitate Fi-building. very true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    ...
    Are you ignoring me?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post

    In answer to your REAL question , i dont care that much about following pop culture. Most of it is garbage.
    What culture do you follow then? We're all ears.

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    Ok, i'm american.
    There was your answer the whole time. Directed at you and ClaudiaM.

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    ...
    Are you ignoring me?
    obviously not.

    Wow, i have not seen such ridiculous paranoia before... got two irate visitor messages from you as well, spaced 4 hours apart, because you didn't realize i'd answered your question and were mad that i was supposedly ignoring you. Ok well i hope this clarification at least puts you at rest now. Get a life, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post

    obviously not.

    Wow, i have not seen such ridiculous paranoia before... got two irate visitor message from you as well because you didn't realize i'd answered your question. Ok well i hope this clarification puts you at rest now.
    Yes, thanks, again sorry but I am a bit paranoid, and Ive never seen it in anyone else this bad either, except in my ex-friend, Riven, ESFj.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post

    obviously not.

    Wow, i have not seen such ridiculous paranoia before... got two irate visitor message from you as well because you didn't realize i'd answered your question. Ok well i hope this clarification puts you at rest now.
    Yes, thanks, again sorry but I am a bit paranoid, and Ive never seen it in anyone else this bad either, except in my ex-friend, Riven, ESFj.
    OK np forgiven...

    But even if someone didn't answer your question, you should try not to take it SO personally, for your own sake. It could happen that someone gets caught up in the flow of the thread and misses someone else's question by accident. And meanwhile you are stressing out and upset all afternoon over this... I feel bad that this ruined your whole afternoon!!
    Last edited by Suz; 07-24-2011 at 10:49 PM.
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    What's the difference between me and Amy Winehouse?

    I woke up on Saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    No. Are you retarded? She is as Beta as they come. SLE probably.
    Yeah. But not SLE. I'm actually surprised that nobody suggested IEI for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    No. Are you retarded? She is as Beta as they come. SLE probably.
    Yeah. But not SLE. I'm actually surprised that nobody suggested IEI for her.
    I could potentially see IEI for her. She strikes me as Ni-ego.
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    SLE

    Last edited by Ink; 07-29-2011 at 01:19 PM. Reason: phfftt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ink View Post
    SLE


    Hahaha FUCK yeah.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    hilarious how all over the place these typings of her are, from all the way back to 2007.

    probably SLE. I'm sad. I would've liked to have heard more music from her.
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    Well let's look at what element she contributed most to? Elation? Circumspection? Ambition? The HA tells the tale.

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    Amy Winehouse: Irrational Fe/Ti (Merry) type






    "Everyday I see you . . . you always give me stress-free point of view/Pick you up after school(Mr. Magic, take a toke(n)/(Mr. Magic) Of my love/(Mr. Magic) I see you through the smoke/Without you I'm misery/Blue without my green/All the songs sound better when you're next to me/'Cause you come naturally/(Mr. Magic) Take a toke(n)/(Mr. Magic) Of my love, love, love/(Mr. Magic) I see you through the smoke . . . . Mr. Magic--take a token/(Mr. Magic) Of my love/(Mr. Magic) I see you through the smoke/Mr. Magic . . .Waiting for the smoke to clear/I'm waiting for the smoke to clear . . ."






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    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainm...ectid=10740735

    Courtney Love: "I'm not even going to say, 'Waste of glorious sublime talent," which I feel. I'm fu**ing gutted. I tried with her, I tried twice."

    - from Amy, My Daughter by Mitch Winehouse; pp. 19-20: Amy continued to be good at maths because of the lessons she’d done with her mother. Janis would set Amy some pretty complicated problems which she really enjoyed doing. Amy would do mathematical problems for hours on end just for fun. She was brilliant at the most complex Sudoku puzzles and could finish one in a flash.
    The pity was that she wouldn’t do it at school. We received notes complaining regularly about her behaviour or lack of interest. Clearly Amy was bored—she just didn’t take to formal schooling . . . . Amy had a terrific thirst for knowledge but hated school. She didn’t want to go so she wouldn’t get up in the mornings. Or, if she did go, she’d come home at lunchtime and not go back.
    Though Amy had been a terrific sleeper as a baby and young child, when she got to about eleven she wouldn’t go to bed: she’d be up all night reading, doing puzzles, watching television, listening to music, anything not to go to sleep . . . .
    Just about the only thing she seemed to enjoy about school was performance. However, one year when Amy sang in a show she wasn’t very good. I don’t know what went wrong—perhaps it was the wrong key for her again—but I was disappointed. The following year things were different. ‘Dad, will you both come to see me at Ashmole?’ she asked. ‘I’m singing again.’ To be honest, my heart sank a bit, with the memory of the previous year’s performance, but of course we went. She sang the Alanis Morissette song ‘Ironic’, and she was as terrific as I knew she could be. What I wasn’t expecting was everyone else’s reaction: the whole room sat up. Wow, where did this come from?

    - p. 4: Despite her charm, ‘Be quiet, Amy!’ was probably the most heard sentence in our house during her early years. She just didn’t know when to stop. Once she started singing that was it. And if she wasn’t the centre of attention, she’d find a way of becoming it occasionally at Alex’s expense. At his sixth birthday party Amy, aged three, put on an impromptu show of singing and dancing . . . .
    Amy would do anything for attention. She was mischievous, bold and daring.


    - pp. 8-9: When Amy was about seven, I took her to a [football] match. When we got home Janis asked why she hadn’t asked me to bring her home, she said, ‘Daddy was enjoying it and I didn’t want to upset him.’ That was typical of the young Amy, always thinking of other people.
    . . . . She was happy to join her big brother at school, but she was soon in trouble. Every day she was there could easily have been her last. She didn’t do anything terrible but she was disruptive and attention-seeking, which led to regular complaints about her behaviour. She wouldn’t be quiet in lessons, she doodled in her books and she played practical jokes. Once she hid under the teacher’s desk. When he asked the class where Amy was, she was laughing so much that she bumped her head on his desk and had to be brought home.
    Amy left a lasting impression on her Year Two teacher, Miss Cutter (now Jane Worthington), who wrote to me shortly after Amy passed away:

    Amy was a vivacious child who grew into a beautiful and gifted woman. My lasting memories of Amy are of a child who wore her heart on her sleeve. When she was happy the world knew about it, when upset or unhappy you’d know that too. It was clear that Amy came from a loving and supportive family.

    Amy was a clever girl, and if she’d been interested she would have done well at school. Somehow, though, she was never that interested. She was good at things like maths, but not in the sense that she did well at school. Janis was really good at maths and used to teach the kids. Amy loved doing calculus and quadratic equations when she was still at primary school. No wonder she found maths lessons boring.

    - p. 18: At some point, she took to riding Alex’s bike, which terrified me: she was reckless whenever she was on it. She had no road sense and she raced along as fast as she could. She loved speed and came off a couple of times.

    - p. xiii (Prologue): I’d like to say that the first time I cuddled my newborn baby daughter, on 14 September 1983, was a moment that will live with me always, but it wasn’t nearly as straightforward as that.
    Some days time drags, and others the hours just fly. That day was one of those, when everything seemed to happen at once. Unlike our son Alex, who’d been born three and a half years earlier, our daughter came into the world quickly, popping out in something of a rush, like a cork from a bottle. She arrived in typical Amy fashion—kicking and screaming. I swear she had the loudest cry of any baby I’ve ever heard. I’d like to tell you that it was tuneful but it wasn’t—just loud. Amy was four days late, and nothing ever changed: for the whole of her life she was always late.

    - p. 2: On the nights that I didn’t get home until ten or eleven o’clock, I’d sometimes wake them up to say goodnight. I’d go into their room, kick the cot or bed, say, ‘Oh, they’re awake,’ and pick them up for a cuddle. Janis used to go mad and quite right too.
    I was a hands-on father but more for rough-and-tumble than reading stories. Alex and I would play football and cricket in the garden, and Amy would want to join in—‘Dad! Dad! Give me the ball.’ I’d prod it towards her, then she’d pick it up and throw it over the fence.
    Amy loved dancing and, as most dads did with their young daughters, I’d hold her hands and balance her feet on mine. We’d sway like that around the room, but Amy liked it best when I twirled her round and round, enjoying the feeling of disorientation it gave her. She became fearless physically, climbing higher than I liked, or rolling over the bars of a climbing frame in the park.

    - pp. 12-13: On one occasion Amy had to write an essay about the life of someone who was important to her. She decided to write about me and asked me to help her. It had to be exciting, I decided, so I made up some stories about myself but Amy believed them all. I told her I’d been the youngest person to climb Mount Everest, and that when I was ten I’d played for Spurs and scored the winning goal in the 1961 Cup Final against Leicester City. I also told her I’d performed the world’s first heart transplant with my assistant Dr Christiaan Barnard. I might also have told her I’d been a racing driver and a jockey.
    Amy took notes, wrote the essay and handed it in. I was expecting some nice remarks about her imagination and sense of humour, but instead the teacher sent me a note, saying, ‘Your daughter is deluded and needs help.’ Not long before Amy passed away, she reminded me about that homework and the trouble it had caused—and she remembered another of my little stories, which I’d forgotten: I’d told her and Alex that when I was seven I’d been playing near Tower Bridge, fallen into the Thames and nearly drowned. I even drove them to the spot to show them where it had supposedly happened and told them there used to be a plaque there commemorating the event but they had taken it down to clean it.

    - from NOW Magazine (July/August 2011 Amy Winehouse issue); p. 3 (Goodbye To AN ICON): In the whirl of her death, it’s easy to forget that Amy Winehouse was just 27. She had the singing voice of someone with great wisdom, yet in reality she was younger than Britney Spears.
    Back in 2007, I saw how fragile she was when she performed on stage at the Isle of Wight Festival. She did an unexpected duet with the Rolling Stones and I’ll always remember how shy she looked. Her voice was mesmerising, yet she seemed not to realise that she belonged up there.
    There were no airs and graces with Amy. She drank in the pubs we would drink in and she dated the wrong men. Unlike other polished singers, her appeal was that she was one of us. She once joked that her record company tried to give her elocution lessons but they didn’t have any effect.
    In just 27 years she’s left us so many memories.

    - p. 4: Despite neighbours claiming to have heard a man crying ‘as if in mourning’ during the night, her reps have confirmed she died alone in bed.

    - p. 4: Touchingly, London cabbie Mitch knelt down in front of a baby girl and tearfully told her dad Rodney Dyer: ‘Look after your little girl.’ The grief on his tortured face will stay with onlookers forever.
    ‘Mitch did everything he could to save Amy,’ says a distraught family friend. ‘He and Janis never gave up hope she would one day pull through, but Amy’s health was so fragile. In many ways it’s a miracle she lasted this long. She suffered chronic emphysema, insomnia, cystitis, toothaches, headaches, digestive problems and skin condition impetigo. On top of that she’s had bulimia and used to self-harm. It’s been a long battle and the family thought she was finally coming out the other side. Sadly, they were mistaken – and I know it haunts them that she died alone.’

    - p. 5 (Her Secret Love Letters To Blake): They were the Sid and Nancy of our times and, like him or loathe him, there’s no doubt Blake Fielder-Civil was one of Amy’s greatest loves. In the week before her death, Amy had a bust-up with her boyfriend Reg over the imprisoned Blake and Now’s discovered the truth behind that row.
    ‘Amy and Blake would send letters to each other, often three times a week,’ says a friend. ‘She loved the romance of sending letters instead of emails or Skypeing. Reg hated her addiction to him – it had even more pull than booze and drugs.
    ‘Amy was obsessed with the whole “my man’s inside” idea,’ adds our source. ‘After all, she used to have the tear drawn on her face. She got it done when he was first jailed. Lots of ex-cons used to get it done in the 60s and 70s. It used to represent murder but more recently it’s symbolised having a loved one locked up. She liked the whole idea of trying to survive on her own while her man was inside.’
    Amy’s ex-flatmate Alex Foden confirms the pair never lost touch: ‘Those two loved each other with a passion. They were still in contact when she died. Blake always said they were like Sid and Nancy – when one went, the other would too. I fear for him now.’


    - p. 9 (Mum Janis: ‘She Wanted To Sing Forever’): ‘It was always a case of “Will she, won’t she?” with Amy. To go through life thinking your child may not make it for so many years, psychologically I’d switched it off. It’s amazing how people can hide it so well – but I always had faith she’d make it. Her passing still hasn’t hit me.
    ‘The thing about Amy is she pushed things to the limit. She went through childhood and suddenly, at the age of 16, she’s moving out and has a record contract. But when I listen to her music, she really does express herself through that. Her talent has been sidelined by all the negative stuff – she just wanted to sing forever. It’s like she valued music more than her life. She does it for love, not money or fame. All the awards she’s won, she leaves with me and her dad.
    ‘I remember asking her what it was like being on stage with Mick Jagger, and she just shrugs: “OK.” We’re the ones who are starstruck, not her. She was a very rare talent.’

    - p. 22 [THE REAL AMY (Theatre School)]: The young Amy’s talent needed an outlet, so when she was nine her grandmother Cynthia suggested she join Susu Earnshaw’s Theatre School in Barnet, north London. There, she had singing, acting and dancing lessons every Saturday. Susi remembers Amy as ‘hungry for fame’. ‘She worked very hard... a funny and talented young girl with so much spirit,’ she says.
    It was this pure spirit that led to Amy arranging her own audition at the prestigious Sylvia Young Theatre School when she was just 12. She won a scholarship. ‘The voice was beautiful... she was fantastic,’ Sylvia recalls.
    Amy learnt music, theatre and dance alongside classmates such as Billie Piper. ‘We certainly thought she would do well in the musical field,’ says Sylvia. ‘She was extremely bright and wrote brilliantly.’
    Perhaps Amy’s high intelligence meant she was easily bored. Certainly, she became distracted in classes. Even a cameo role in BBC comedy The Fast Show couldn’t shake the malaise and she was asked to leave. However, Sylvia maintains that Amy’s mother wanted her daughter to go to a more traditional school.
    Mum knew best and Amy left the Mount School in Mill Hill, north London, with five GCSEs when she was 16. But music was always her first love and Amy’s next stop was the BRIT School in Croydon, south London, which counts chart toppers Adele and Jessie J among its alumni. But she didn’t last long there either, yearning to get out into the real world. ‘She was an artist from age 16... she wasn’t suited to being institutionalised,’ teacher Adrian Packer said later. Now it was the music the teenage Amy was writing on her own that was starting to stand out.

    - p. 55 (AMY ON... HER DOMESTIC SIDE): ‘I love parties, but secretly I’m never happier than when I’m cleaning. In 10 years’ time I’m going to be looking after my husband and our seven kids. At the end of the day I’m a Jewish girl.’

    AMY ON... DIDO: ‘Kids who listen to Dido and think “I want to be like her” make me want to vomit.’

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    ‘She was famously blunt in her assessment of her peers, once describing Dido’s sound as “background music — the background to death” . . .’

    - p. 13 (Tears For THAT Voice): Sisters Amy and Sophie Sharp laid roses and carnations, a bunch of gladioli, a candle and messages for the dead singer. ‘It’s such a massive shock,’ said Sophie, a 25-year-old science teacher who had come from Uckfield, East Sussex.
    ‘I cried when I heard the news. She was just a little older than me and I’d grown up with her music. She defined our generation. It’s just such a sad way to lose someone who was so talented.’
    Her sister Amy, 31, who lives in north London and is an English teacher, said: ‘She obviously had her problems but we hoped she’d find a way through them. I’d been to three of her gigs and they were highlights in my life. Her voice was full of raw emotion. No one else sang like her.’

    - pp. 13-14 (World’s Biggest Fan): Window cleaner Jabez Lloyd, 26, had brought his partner Amber Harris, 24, and their 15-month-old daughter Remae from their home near Heathrow. Gently placing a photo of Amy, a glass of cut flowers and a bottle of vodka with the other tributes, he said he still couldn’t believe she was gone. ‘I’ve shed a few tears,’ he admitted. ‘I’d been a fan from the start. I’ve got her face tattooed on my arm and our house is covered in her pictures. I loved that she mixed jazz and hip-hop. It was my sort of music and nothing that had been done before.
    ‘She didn’t care what others thought of her, at least that was the impression she gave. I was speechless when I heard the news. At least now she can have a drink in heaven.’

    - p. 14 (‘I’ve Painted This For Her’): Decorator and aspiring artist Sean Burtenshaw, 22, had come from Twickenham to share the three-foot high portrait of Amy that he’d created with other grieving fans. The painting showed the singer wearing her trademark rosary beads. Sean had even created her beehive from a wig he bought in Camden market. ‘I can’t believe she’s dead,’ he said. ‘It’s so surreal. I had wanted to give this to her. Now I wonder if her parents would want it.
    ‘I’ve been a fan since she came on the scene. Hopefully she’ll be remembered for her massive talent and not the way she died. She was unique and inspirational. I know she’ll go down in history.’

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    - p. 18 (HER FINAL DAYS): ‘She shouldn’t have done that gig in Serbia,’ says a close friend. ‘She never liked being away from London. For anyone dealing with addiction, a change of routine can put everything at risk. She was fine when she got back home because she had her support network around her and doctors on call. It’s just so shocking that her brave, tentative steps to get back up there with Dionne would end this way.’
    The return to the stage, albeit as a support to Dionne, was a significant milestone for Amy. It signified that she wasn’t going to be beaten. But the week leading up to her death will always hold bittersweet memories for those who knew her.
    After spending a happy evening with Dionne, heartache soon followed when Amy and her on-off boyfriend Reg Traviss had a bust-up over her ex-husband Blake Fielder-Civil, who’s currently in prison for burglary.
    Blake’s new girlfriend Sarah Aspin, the mother of his newborn son Jack, admitted just days before Amy’s death that she couldn’t cope with Blake’s obsession with his ex-wife. ‘He still loves Amy,’ she said. ‘She’s always overshadowed our relationship. I always felt it was inevitable that they’d get back together again one day.’

    - pp. 20-21 [THE REAL AMY (The Early Years)]: Born in 1983 in Southgate, north London, Amy lived happily with brother Alex, three years her senior, mum Janis and her taxi driver dad Mitch. Mitch would sing to Amy as a baby and Amy credited her father for her love of music.
    Mum Janis remembers father and daughter listening to Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin songs as he drove her to school. ‘Mitchell and Amy were close,’ she said. ‘And because he always sang, she was always singing. In school her teachers had to tell her to stop doing it in lessons.’
    Perhaps unsurprisingly, young Amy also had a naughty streak, going missing in a park aged two and often being cheeky to her parents. ‘She was never an easy child,’ Janis said. ‘For most of her life I’ve been aware of needing to keep an eye on her. She’s very determined if she wants to do something.’
    At the age of nine, Amy’s life was rocked when Mitch left to live with his mistress – now his wife – Jane. Amy later recalled: ‘They sat us down and said: “We’re separating.” It was all very open.
    ‘I think it hit my brother worse. All I knew was that meant I could wear make-up, short skirts and swear at my mum. I didn’t mind Dad going because I thought it would be fun and I knew that he wouldn’t disappear – he’d always be there.
    ‘By the time I was 15, my parents realised that I’d do whatever I wanted. And that was it really.’

    - p. 24 (THE REAL AMY – Rise To Fame by Selina Julien): At the tender age of 20, Amy released her debut album Frank – inspired by the break-up of her first serious relationship, with journalist Christ Taylor – and a star was born. Her friend Tyler James, who she had a brief fling with, encouraged her to send her demo tape to record companies.
    News of this raw talent with an exceptional voice quickly spread and Island executive Darcus Beese tracked down the ‘industry secret’ at the end of 2002. ‘I wanted to sign her immediately, as soon as I heard her. I knew she was very talented and as soon as my boss Nick Gatfield met her, he said: “Let’s get this girl signed!”’
    With her record company advance, Amy moved into a flat in Camden with her school friend Juliette Ashby and would often indulge in cannabis. Juliette said: ‘I’ve got such brilliant memories of that flat. I’d have passed out from being stoned and Amy would be roasting a chicken at three in the morning.’
    Despite her reservations about her debut album containing tracks and mixes that she wasn’t happy with, it went on to platinum-selling status and earned her nominations for two Brit Awards, the Mercury Prize and an Ivor Novello Songwriting Award for single Stronger Than Me. But controlling the young star proved to be a greater challenge as her career suddenly hit the fast lane.

    - p. 25: ‘In 2003, I was one of a handful of journalists invited to see the then-unknown Amy perform tracks from her forthcoming album Frank at an afternoon showcase at Soho House in London. Without much fanfare, a nervous looking young girl walked into the room, sat in a corner, picked up a guitar and began playing – so far, so what. But the second she started singing the atmosphere in the room changed instantly. Amy’s now legendary voice in such an intimate setting was electric. Jaws dropped, hairs stood up on end – even the free drinks went undrunk. It was clear Amy was the real deal.’
    By Gavin Reeve-Daniels (Now Associate Editor)

    - p. 27 (THE REAL AMY – Meeting Blake by Karen Dunn): Amy first met Blake Fielder-Civil in the Good Mixer pub in Camden in 2003. It was just after the release of her album Frank and her career was soaring.
    With his multiple Sailor Jerry style tattoos and sharp suit, the 22-year-old caught Amy’s eye immediately and he admits their connection was instant. ‘I’d just had a good win at the bookies, so I went to the pub to celebrate,’ said Blake, who was working as a video production assistant at the time. ‘I opened the door and Amy was the first person I saw and that was it.
    ‘The drinks were on me for the first and last time,’ he joked. ‘And from that night onwards we began our tortuous relationship. We were best friends from the start. We were like brother and sister more than anything else.’
    The romance was an intense whirlwind, with Amy getting her famous ‘Blake’ tattoo above her heart just a month after meeting him. However, just six months after they started dating, Blake went back to his previous girlfriend. Amy later admitted that she shouldn’t have got together with him in the first place because he was already seeing someone ‘too close to home.’
    Heartbroken and plagued by depression, Amy hit the bottle to console herself and her family and management pressured her to go to rehab. She lasted 15 minutes and again used her personal struggles to pen more heartbreaking tracks.
    Meeting up-and-coming producer Mark Ronson proved a life-changer for Amy. He produced her second album Back To Black, which brought her international fame, selling 10 million copies worldwide and entering the US charts at No 7, making Amy the highest debuting British female in Billboard’s history.
    In a nod to her failure to curb her drinking, Amy wrote her hit Rehab. “The songs I wrote on the album are from times when I was so messed up in the head,’ she said. ‘I had literally hit rock bottom. I was clinically depressed and I managed to get something I’m so proud of out of something that was so horrible.’
    But Blake was never far from the frame. Her dad Mitch revealed: ‘Blake started seeing Amy on a casual basis just after Frank came out. But of course, after six months the interest in the album started waning a bit and so, it seemed, did Blake’s interest in Amy. He didn’t turn up again until Back To Black was No 1.’ Their second shot at romance was to prove much more toxic...

    - p. 28 [THE REAL AMY (The Blake Romance)]: By March 2007, Blake and Amy had rekindled their destructive relationship. By now, he’d introduced her to heroin and cocaine. Describing the first time she took drugs in late 2006, he said: ‘I’d been smoking heroin on my own before that, but never in front of her. I got a bit for myself. She looked at me and said: “Can I have some?” I was out of my mind on drugs and I said: “Of course.”
    ‘She inhaled the heroin, sat back, smiled and her eyes went a bit funny. She said: “I can see why you take this.” Amy took to heroin like a duck to water.’ Within weeks she was begging Blake for more.
    Despite her family loathing Blake, nothing could put Amy off her ‘muse’ and the couple eloped in Miami in May 2007 in a 60 [pound] ceremony. The newlyweds celebrated in the pool bar at the Shore Club hotel with burgers and chips, then locked themselves in their hotel room for 48 hours. Her mum was left heartbroken.
    On their return to the UK, it was clear their lifestyle was getting out of hand. Concerts were cancelled at short notice as Amy’s drug addiction took hold. And when she did turn up, she was in no fit state to perform. In August 2007, after a three-day drug binge, Amy suffered a life-threatening seizure and was rushed to hospital. ‘I knelt over her as she was fitting. Suddenly she passed out and stopped breathing. It was the most frightening thing I’d ever seen,’ said Blake. ‘I felt sure I was watching her die in front of me. But somehow I managed to open her mouth and breathe air down her throat.’
    Violent rows became the norm, but no one was prepared for the shocking snaps that emerged of the pair bloodied after a huge bust-up at London’s Sanderson hotel that same month. Her bloodied feet were believed to be a sign she was injecting heroin between her toes.
    Amy refused to blame Blake, saying: ‘He’s the best man in the world. We’d never ever harm each other. I was cutting myself after he found me in our room about to do drugs with a call girl and rightly said I wasn’t good enough for him. I lost it and he saved my life.’
    The couple were finally forced apart when Blake was arrested and charged with assaulting a barman. He was later sentenced to 27 months in prison. Just before his release, Blake filed for divorce in January 2009, citing Amy’s adultery while he was in prison as the reason. Amy insisted that the marriage wasn’t over, saying: ‘I still love Blake. I won’t let him divorce me.’ Despite her pleas, the divorce was made final in July 2009. But Amy remained in contact right up until her death. Even when Blake became a father and was sent back to prison for burglary and a firearm offence, the singer could never let him go.

    - p. 30 (THE REAL AMY – Her Road To Destruction by Justine Harkness): In April 2008, Amy issued a denial she and Blake had split and the following month she posted a bizarre YouTube video of her and Pete Doherty playing with 30 mice. At one point, Amy holds one up and says: “This one’s got a message for Blake. Blake, please don’t divorce Mummy.

    - p. 32-33 (THE REAL AMY – Her Escape in St Lucia by Selina Julien): The sun-kissed backdrop of St Lucia was where troubled Amy spent eight months in 2009 in a desperate bid to kick her drink and drug addictions. It also signalled the start of her love affair with the island she affectionately called ‘home from home’.
    The Caribbean couldn’t have been further from Amy’s Camden base, but it became her sanctuary as she attempted to get her life back on track. ‘Here I feel so calm and peaceful and for the first time I can say I’m off the drugs. I haven’t touched anything since I arrived and I feel the best I have in years. The laidback lifestyle definitely suits me – it’s home from home with great beaches,’ Amy said.
    It certainly suited her because she looked healthier and curvier than she had in years, sparking hope that she’d finally conquered her demons. As she did cartwheels on the beach, rode horses into the surf and spent time recording her long-awaited third album Amy discovered her joie de vivre.
    Beach trader Marjorie Lambert – who Amy fondly referred to as her ‘Caribbean mummy’ – said: ‘She once spent three weeks with me playing with my children and grandchildren. She only drank fruit juice. I never let anyone come close to her who’d have drugs.’
    Singing at night to the locals, Amy grew so fond of her new ‘family’ she even paid for vital surgery for one cash-strapped local. ‘She saved his life,’ said Marjorie. ‘Someone should have saved my precious girl.’
    Sadly, Amy’s sobriety wasn’t to last as her trip soon turned into a Caribbean circus. She frolicked topless on the beach and crawled around on the floor, reportedly stealing drinks from holidaymakers.
    Her ill-fated performance at the island’s legendary Jazz Festival in May 2009 was billed as her big comeback, but it followed a reported week-long drink and drug binge. Stumbling through the lyrics of her songs and falling over, Amy was forced to abandon the set – although bad weather was cited as the reason it was cut short. It was a sad end to her stay on the paradise island and she left a few weeks later.

    - pp. 36-37 (THE REAL AMY – With Reg Traviss by Clare O’Reilly): As clouds gathered above the London crematorium where Amy Winehouse’s funeral was to be held, her on-off boyfriend Reg Traviss crumpled in grief, having just seen her coffin. The director, 35, had already told pals that he’d never recover from losing her.
    The couple met two years ago when he was dating burlesque dancer Raven Isis, but it wasn’t until June 2010 that Amy replaced her in his affections. Raven swore he was using her, but Amy’s folks gave him the thumbs up, with dad Mitch saying: ‘Reg isn’t into the limelight, unlike a lot of her exes.’
    Despite the fact that Amy and Reg talked about marriage and even starting a family, the pair did have a volatile relationship. “They loved each other but Reg was always heartbroken every time she sank back into her addiction,’ says a friend. ‘He truly thought he could save her. He’s lost.’
    In recent weeks, Amy and Reg were rocked by a series of rows, which climaxed in an argument about Amy’s ex-husband Blake Fielder-Civil days before she died. ‘Reg heard she’d been back in touch with Blake and was writing to him,’ says our source. ‘Reg was uspet but Amy said she was only writing to Blake for closure. They had a huge bust-up over it and both agreed it was over.’
    Heartbroken Reg was hoping this split would only be temporary. He was planning to take Amy on holiday later this year to make up for working round the clock on his new film Screwed recently. ‘Their relationship was full of highs and lows,’ reveals our insider. ‘Reg was desperate to make it up to her. If he could have put her in a fairytale castle and kept all the leeches and parasites away from her, he’d have done it in a second. He idolised her and only ever wanted to save her. He wasn’t jealous she was in touch with Blake – he just thought it’d be better for her recovery to keep away from him. But Amy took it the wrong way and assumed he was trying to control her.’
    Even so, Reg will always think of Amy fondly. Speaking at the shrine set up by fans outside her pad, he said: ‘I want to thank all the people who are mourning Amy. She was such a beautiful, brilliant person and my dear love.’

    - p. 37 (Big Screen Therapy): Devastated Reg is planning to make a film to mark Amy’s legacy – and to help him come to terms with his grief. Although the film won’t specifically be about Amy, it will focus on a troubled, drug-addicted girl who tries to break free but can’t. ‘He’s going to start writing it as a form of therapy,’ says a friend. ‘But he also wants to create a tribute he can be in control of and wants to write a happier ending than what actually happened to Amy. It’ll be true in that the girl will die in the end but he wants to show her somewhere after looking happy, safe and free from addictions.’

    - p. 38 [The Conspiracy Theories by Justine Harkness (Internet Free-For-All)]: Three years ago, Amy told her former aide Alex Haines: ‘I have a feeling I’m gonna die young.’ Conspiracy theorists have gone wild in trying to prove she was killed, with one absurdly alleging that it was ordered by Rupert Murdoch to distract from the hacking scandal. Another rumour blames the Illuminati. It’s claimed the drumming and howling heard in the night before she was found dead was part of a murder ritual. The results of that inquest couldn’t come sooner, especially as rumours are still swirling that Amy killed herself after splitting with Reg Traviss days before her body was found.

    - p. 39 (Greedy Hangers-On): Loyal friends claim Amy was being ripped off by her drug dealers – and some of her hangers-on, who’d often tip off the paparazzi. ‘It was awful to see her being taken advantage of,’ says a pal. ‘These so-called mates would even go so far as to manufacture a kerfuffle with the paps to make it look like Amy was attacking them. It was dreadful, but Amy was so naive and trusting that you couldn’t tell her any different. I know for a fact that the arseholes she bought drugs from would automatically triple the price just because it was her. She didn’t have a bad bone in her body and thought others were the same.’

    - p. 48 (THE AMY I Knew... BY ALEX FODEN): ‘Amy always told me she thought she’d die young and that she’d become part of the 27 Club. I think she almost needed to die as a legend. Although everyone around her knew it was going to happen, it was still a shock. I’ve been crying ever since I heard.
    ‘She was so modest. She’d never sing one of her own songs if someone asked her to in a bar – she just got embarrassed. And she never discussed her music. I think that’s because the lyrics were so personal and dark.
    ‘At the heart of it, Amy was a lovely, bubbly Jewish girl who wanted to be loved. She was incredibly clean and tidy at home and could be a real matriarch, looking after everyone and cooking for friends and family. Meatballs were her signature – they were fantastic.
    ‘All she wanted to be was a mum. If she and Blake had had a child, she’d still be here today. Once, before she went on stage in Zurich, she told Blake she thought she was pregnant. She was so happy. She sent a girl out to buy two pregnancy tests but when she did them, they came back negative.
    ‘She was heartbroken and went on stage that night a shell of a woman. She got slated for that gig. People said she was pulling drugs out of her beehive and sniffing them. But she wasn’t – she was actually crying and wiping her nose. Amy was an incredible, warm, wonderful human but, ultimately, also a fallible one.’

    THE AMY I Knew... BY JOOLS HOLLAND: ‘Amy was extraordinary. She wasn’t like any other artists. She came on a few of the TV shows and we recorded a Dinah Washington song with her. If you look at the great people who recorded music, Amy was one of them. As soon as she sang, everything made sense.
    ‘The thing that was amazing was her understanding of music – it wasn’t shallow and she had a depth of knowledge. She realised music didn’t just start 40 years ago but that it started hundreds of years ago. I think Amy was also able to touch people with her songs. That’s the type of ability that all the great singers had.
    ‘Amy recorded a song with us called Teach Me Tonight. I didn’t know that song before we played it but when Amy sang it, I suddenly loved the song. The important thing here is the singer, not the song – when she started singing, Amy connected to the song. You might have heard the song before and not noticed it but when Amy sang it, you suddenly fell in love with it.’


    - p. 51 (AMY ON... HER MUSIC): ‘I don’t ever want to do anything mediocre. I hear the music in the charts and, I don’t mean to be rude, but those people have no soul. Learning from music is like eating a meal, you have to pace yourself. You can’t take everything from it all at once. I want to be different, definitely. I’m not a one-trick pony. I’m at least a five-trick pony.’

    - p. 52 (AMY ON... RELIGION): ‘I’m not religious at all. I think faith is something that gives you strength. I believe in fate and I believe things happen for a reason, but I don’t think that there’s a higher power, necessarily. I believe in karma very much, though. There are so many rude people around and they’re the people who don’t have any real friends. And relationships with people – with your mum, your nan, your dog – are what you get the most happiness in life from. Apart from shoes and bags.’

    AMY ON... THE X FACTOR: ‘I would have been happy to sing in a covers band for the rest of my life. And I wouldn’t have gone on one of those shows in a million, billion years, because I think that musicality isn’t something other people should judge you on. Music’s a thing you have with yourself. Even though the people who go on those shows are shit, it’s really damaging to be told you are.’

    - p. 55: AMY ON... HAVING KIDS: ‘I never used to be broody, but then I realised that I’m turning into a soppy bitch. Goodness in life comes from a sense of achievement and you’d get that from having a child and putting it before yourself.’
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    ESFp has been my (shallow and uneducated) impression.

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    Probably definitely SLE
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I voted for SLE.

    B minor (Pisces)



    "Understand, once he was a family man/So surely I would never ever go through it first hand/Emulate all the shit my mother hate/I can't help but demonstrate my Freudian fate/My alibi for taking your guy/History repeats itself, it fails to die/And animal aggression is my downfall/I don't care 'bout what you got, I want it all/It's bricked up in my head and shoved under my bed/And I question myself again -- what is it about men?/My destructive side has grown a mile wide/And I question myself again -- what is it about men?/I'm nurturing -- I just wanna do my thing/And I'll take the wrong man as naturally as I sing/And I'll save my tears for uncovering my fears/For behavioural patterns that stick over the years . . . ."


    - from NOW Magazine (July/August 2011 Amy Winehouse issue); p. 7 (Art Imitating Life): The video for one of Amy’s most tear-jerking songs proved to be all too close to the tragic truth. Back to Black featured a mock-up of Amy’s funeral and she was reported to have nearly had a panic attack on set when she saw the headstone with her name on it. Close friend and former flatmate Alex Foden remembers: ‘Amy got so freaked out. She got so upset, I got sent out to get her a few hot toddies so that she could get through the whole ordeal. Amy got so freaked out because she knew that this was where her life was heading.’

    D minor (Scorpio)




    " . . . . Me and my head high/And my tears dry/Get on without my guy/You went back to what you knew/So far removed from all that we went through/And I tread a troubled track/My odds are stacked/I go back to black/We only said goodbye with words/I died a hundred times/You go back to her [him]/And I go back to.../I go back to us/I love you much/It's not enough/You love blow and I love puff/And life is like a pipe/And I'm a tiny penny rolling up the walls inside . . . ."


    Quote Originally Posted by neverthesame View Post
    I believe IEE. I know no one would agree.
    I actually considered this type for her in the past. To be honest, though, I'm not really sure why I thought she might be ENFp, although I don't think it's a bad typing.

    I remember these lyrics from the song "Stronger Than Me" -- "He said, 'The respect I made you earn/Thought you had so many lessons to learn' / I said, 'You don't know what love is -- get a grip'/Sounds as if you're reading from some other tired script"

    "I always have to comfort you when I'm there/But that's what I need you to do/Stroke my hair"

    So some of these lyrics made me think that the song might be about a Delta ST (or Alpha NT) [otherwise an IEI], maybe:

    'Teachers: LSE (ESTj) SLI (ISTp)

    If I were to describe this type's approach to love, it would be "serious." He approaches his love interest almost with the intention to "teach." This can quite possibly rub the object of his affection in the wrong way, possibly interpreted as condescension. Like the childlike type, he may tend to live "outside sexuality" and may have to intellectualize it in order to be comfortable. He is looking for a worthy pupil.'

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...otic-Attitudes

    But if anything, these lyrics may say more about the boyfriend this song was about [perhaps he was an Ne/Si type (maybe Alpha; or otherwise Feeling/ethical/IEI or something]... as opposed to what type she was.


    Quote Originally Posted by labster View Post
    ESFp has been my (shallow and uneducated) impression.
    My ex-boyfriend actually thought she VI'd ESFp. He thought 50 Cent VI'd ESFp as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by felafel View Post
    well, r.i.p. and all, but if this woman was fi creative i'd like a place in beta or wherever, just about anywhere really. bleh
    Yeah, she probably wasn't Fi-creative. She was most likely Beta Irrational, and I agree with the people who think she's SLE. IEI would be my second choice.

    I'm assuming you're IEE, so do you have an opinion on Kathleen Edward's type:

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...thleen-Edwards

    Some people type her IEE (and/or some other ethical type) and others type her LSI, so it's really confusing. Do you think she's Delta or Beta...









    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W406e69_WpM

    Here are somethings Kathleen Edwards said in an interview:

    " . . . People are far more important, and your relationship . . . your connection in that way is far more important than, you know, writing songs . . . I write about things I know and feel . . ."

    " . . .The only thing I care about is protecting his feelings through this, 'cause it's not easy . . ."



    Anyway, here are more examples of Amy Winehouse lyrics--

    - from "In My Bed": "Wish I could say it breaks my heart/Like you did in the beginning/It's not that we grew apart/A nightingale no longer singing/It's something I know you can't do/Separate sex with emotion/I sleep alone; the sun comes up/You're still clinging to that notion"

    - from "Take the Box": "You say I always get my own way . . . . I came home this evening/And nothing felt like how it should be/I feel like writing you a letter/But that's not me/You know me/feel so f*****g angry/Don't wanna be reminded of you . . . ."
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    The same type.

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    @Radio

    Exactly.

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    Uhhh, NO. Makeup and hair do NOT make them the same type, at ALL. Their eyes are so different, the emotions feel softer with GaGa, more hard-edged with Winehouse.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    And NEITHER of them is IEE, what the hell? Go practice this quackery somewhere the fuck else
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Go ahead with the "emotions feel much harder" or "she's much more ON and engaged," it's not gonna make a flippin' difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by agape View Post
    Amy Winehouse: Irrational Fe/Ti (Merry) type
    Gilly's dual.

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