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    Erik Satie

    A most innovative composer whose influence is still evident in current electronica explorations, among other forms. From what I've read of him in the past, and his writings, he seems to have been a pleasantly eccentric, master of subtle "hilarity." I would've loved to have known him personally. What a character.

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    "I am far superior to you, but my well-known modesty forbids me to say so.” - Erik Satie.

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    "I often regret having come into this petty world; not that I hate the world. No . . . I love the world, I love high society and even the demimonde, since I'm a sort of demimondaine myself. But what have I come to do on this Earth, which is so earthly and so earthy? Do I have duties to perform here? have I come here to carry out a mission-a commission? Have I been sent here to amuse myself? to enjoy myself a little? . . . to forget the miseries of a beyond, which I no longer remember? Am I not unwelcome here? What should I say to all these questions? Thinking, almost from the moment of my arrival, that I was doing some good down here, I began to play a few musical airs which I myself had invented. . . . All my troubles stemmed from there." ~ Erik Satie

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    I believe he is INTp


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    I love his music. From those quotes, xNxp. INTp could work.

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    I've always been drawn to Satie's music the most -- his music transports me to another time. I think he's my identical. Taciturn/Asker, smiles like I used to, lived in an ivory tower.

    Compare this:
    "I am far superior to you, but my well-known modesty forbids me to say so." - Erik Satie.

    To Filatova's INFp description:
    "With respect to his own abilities and talents there is an internal, frequently secret, conviction that he exceeds others in his spiritual aristocratism, considering himself as a member of an elite, but as a rule he tries not to demonstrate this conviction."

    Though he could be ENFj as well.
    “I think, therefore I'll think" - Ayn Rand (ESTp, UR GUARDIAN ANGEL)

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisonpure
    I've always been drawn to Satie's music the most -- his music transports me to another time. I think he's my identical. Taciturn/Asker, smiles like I used to, lived in an ivory tower.

    Compare this:
    "I am far superior to you, but my well-known modesty forbids me to say so." - Erik Satie.

    To Filatova's INFp description:
    "With respect to his own abilities and talents there is an internal, frequently secret, conviction that he exceeds others in his spiritual aristocratism, considering himself as a member of an elite, but as a rule he tries not to demonstrate this conviction."

    Though he could be ENFj as well.
    INFp is a really good suggestion. I doubt ENFj, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush
    I love his music. From those quotes, xNxp. INTp could work.
    danses de travers III ...

    My initial thoughts were xNxp or ISFp.

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    I always thought he was ENTp, in part because he wrote lots of short pieces that explored some new idea, rather than trying to develop the idea in depth, and in part because he seemed to say a lot of things that he didn't take seriously, just sort of to play with people's minds.

    But he may have been INp too. I suspect a lot of really good composers were INTp and INFp.

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    edit: ENTp.

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    In the past and in the last few days I've seen typings including ILE, ILI, IEI, and maybe SEI for him.

    I don't think it is too controversial to say that the Impressionist musicians (and painters) were disproportionately represented by IXXp types (I currently agree\go with Ravel: SLI, Debussy: SEI, Chopin: IEI...ok, he wasn't "technically" of the Impressionist era...)

    My view is that Satie was ILI, based on his musical style and extreme social awkwardness

    (Going from Rick's description of music as represented by the information elements
    http://socionics.us/wikisocion/Music.shtml , I hear over , but I'm no expert )

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    Just posting these because they are "bad ass" (no other reason).






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    Ni dom, devalued Fe

    nice examples of playing with ideas and words in D-A cog style:

    “I am by far your superior, but my notorious modesty prevents me from saying so.”
    “Je m'appelle Erik Satie comme tout le monde.”
    “I came into the world very young, in an age that was very old.”

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    ENTp
    degree of confidence : 100%
    "The final delusion is the belief that one has lost all delusion."

    -- Maurice Chapelain

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    Why? @noid

    Most of his music sounds Ni as fuk, it's a kind of time-spanning timeless spiraling experience. There's also the element of absurdism, but I'm not sure how type-related that is. There are few opportunities for emotional expression in the music, either. Fe-valuing seems a stretch there.

    The INTp suggestions make the most sense to me.

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    I agree with ILI (I started a thread a year ago apparently missing this one).

    This article has some biographical details about him: http://www.theguardian.com/music/201...-less-ordinary
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