ILI-EIE Supervision relations (INTp and ENFj)

[idealistichick]

So today was our last day in classes before graduation and I asked my INTp English teacher to tell us what he thought of me and my friends. He told me that I was emotional and that it was "second nature" to me, and he also told me that I was intuitive. Anyway he said behind all the emotions, and my intuition I don't possess a thirst for real knowledge or logic . What do you guys think. Are all beta NF's percieved this way with INTp's?

[KSpin]

So today was our last day in classes before graduation and I asked my INTp English teacher to tell us what he thought of me and my friends. He told me that I was emotional and that it was "second nature" to me, and he also told me that I was intuitive. Anyway he said behind all the emotions, and my intuition I don't possess a thirst for real knowledge or logic . What do you guys think. Are all beta NF's percieved this way with INTp's?

Yes. My sister is the same. As soon as I start to argue a point logically, she doesn't want to care any more.

Edit: Also, did you English teacher have a knowledge of Socionics or MBTI?

[idealistichick]

So today was our last day in classes before graduation and I asked my INTp English teacher to tell us what he thought of me and my friends. He told me that I was emotional and that it was "second nature" to me, and he also told me that I was intuitive. Anyway he said behind all the emotions, and my intuition I don't possess a thirst for real knowledge or logic . What do you guys think. Are all beta NF's percieved this way with INTp's?

Yes. My sister is the same. As soon as I start to argue a point logically, she doesn't want to care any more.

Oh wow. Te is an ENFj's role function so I'm guessing that we really dont care it about it much. We've talked about Socionics with him but he never got around to really research it or even understand what functions are or anything about it in particular except for the fact that we read the INTp profile to him.

[UDP]

So today was our last day in classes before graduation and I asked my INTp English teacher to tell us what he thought of me and my friends. He told me that I was emotional and that it was "second nature" to me, and he also told me that I was intuitive. Anyway he said behind all the emotions, and my intuition I don't possess a thirst for real knowledge or logic . What do you guys think. Are all beta NF's percieved this way with INTp's?

Sounds like something an INTp would say.

[aestrivex]

it sounds to me like he was reading off functional descriptions of dominant Fe and Te role. his responses fit in with the model of socionics model far too well.

[Phaedrus]

So today was our last day in classes before graduation and I asked my INTp English teacher to tell us what he thought of me and my friends. He told me that I was emotional and that it was "second nature" to me, and he also told me that I was intuitive. Anyway he said behind all the emotions, and my intuition I don't possess a thirst for real knowledge or logic . What do you guys think. Are all beta NF's percieved this way with INTp's?

Sounds like something an INTp would say.

Yes. That's exactly what I would be thinking anyway. And that's pretty much how many NF's (and other types, especially F types) come across to me.

[idealistichick]

he also told me that I was intuitive. Anyway he said behind all the emotions, and my intuition I don't possess a thirst for real knowledge or logic

So do you agree or disagree with this statement?

I believe in gaining as much knowledge as possible and I admit I dont like logic. I see myself as a hardworker even though I have been slacking off lately. I feel like I have to really want to do something in order to be motivated like reading a book. My goal is to read as much as possible and since I am starting college pretty soon I want to be on top of everything.

[olduser]

I believe in gaining as much knowledge as possible and I admit I dont like logic. I see myself as a hardworker even though I have been slacking off lately. I feel like I have to really want to do something in order to be motivated like reading a book. My goal is to read as much as possible and since I am starting college pretty soon I want to be on top of everything.

I don't know if logic is something you can like or dislike. good luck in college.

[FDG]

So today was our last day in classes before graduation and I asked my INTp English teacher to tell us what he thought of me and my friends. He told me that I was emotional and that it was "second nature" to me, and he also told me that I was intuitive. Anyway he said behind all the emotions, and my intuition I don't possess a thirst for real knowledge or logic . What do you guys think. Are all beta NF's percieved this way with INTp's?

Sounds like something an INTp would say.

Yes. That's exactly what I would be thinking anyway. And that's pretty much how many NF's (and other types, especially F types) come across to me.

I've yet to meet a mature ENFp that has trouble listening to logical arguments; mostly applies to INFps, too, when they respect you.

[XoX]

he also told me that I was intuitive. Anyway he said behind all the emotions, and my intuition I don't possess a thirst for real knowledge or logic

So do you agree or disagree with this statement?

I believe in gaining as much knowledge as possible and I admit I dont like logic. I see myself as a hardworker even though I have been slacking off lately. I feel like I have to really want to do something in order to be motivated like reading a book. My goal is to read as much as possible and since I am starting college pretty soon I want to be on top of everything.

The thing is real knowledge cannot be gained without using logic. Otherwise it is not knowledge you are gaining but a shadow of knowledge. I thought you started this thread because you were afraid that he is actually right? So obviously you now need to prove him wrong which I'm sure you will with your determination. I totally understand the need for passion to be motivated. However it is perhaps better to slow down a bit every once in a while and think things through. Being emotional doesn't prevent you from doing this unless you consciously build a barrier in your mind where you think you can manage without using logic if you just push hard enough. INTps probably have it the other way around. They think they can do well by betting everything in logic. Well just thoughts which crossed my mind as I was unsure of the motivations behind this thread. Was it about clearing up your insecurities or showing how INTps fail or just sharing thoughts. I thought I'd contribute something

[Animal]

INTp/ENFj... wat is that? Supervision? Yeah, it sounds like something your Supervisee would say about you. He recognizes the function you do have in common (Ni), and feels frustrated dealing with the functions you don't (Te v. Fe).

[mikemex]

Anyway he said behind all the emotions, and my intuition I don't possess a thirst for real knowledge or logic

By reading this I get the impression that you're suggesting it's not true.

[aestrivex]

it sounds to me like he was reading off functional descriptions of dominant Fe and Te role. his responses fit in with the model of socionics model far too well.

lol, yes.

Someone's trying too hard.

The guy knows nothing about socionics, unless he's learning about it behind our backs Could be he's just old and has been around a lot of people

but your interpretations may be doctored by the theory. actually i've seen a bit of this type of behavior before from Fe types.

[lefty]

So today was our last day in classes before graduation and I asked my INTp English teacher to tell us what he thought of me and my friends. He told me that I was emotional and that it was "second nature" to me, and he also told me that I was intuitive. Anyway he said behind all the emotions, and my intuition I don't possess a thirst for real knowledge or logic . What do you guys think. Are all beta NF's percieved this way with INTp's?

you know...of course its the enfj that supervises the intp so in my own simplisted way im going to say its what the enfj thinks of the intp that maters and what the isfp thinks of the enfj that matters and so on.


lefty
enfj 4

[Exodus]

Matters?

[lefty]

Matters?

is likely to provide the most information. i think the supervisor is more likely to provide valuable guidance to the suprvisee than vice versa. And the information the supervisor gets through this interaction is more valuable, because they're the one actively using the information. that may or may not highlight something about the nature of the person being supervised, but i'm not trying imply that supervisory relationships determine the overall worth of either "partner," in such an interaction or in that interaction as a factor in groups.

[Dioklecian]

So today was our last day in classes before graduation and I asked my INTp English teacher to tell us what he thought of me and my friends. He told me that I was emotional and that it was "second nature" to me, and he also told me that I was intuitive. Anyway he said behind all the emotions, and my intuition I don't possess a thirst for real knowledge or logic . What do you guys think. Are all beta NF's percieved this way with INTp's?

ENFJs are the uber social climbers, even ESFJs are not as focused on that as you guys. But I know your secret lusty desires too

[idealistichick]

So today was our last day in classes before graduation and I asked my INTp English teacher to tell us what he thought of me and my friends. He told me that I was emotional and that it was "second nature" to me, and he also told me that I was intuitive. Anyway he said behind all the emotions, and my intuition I don't possess a thirst for real knowledge or logic . What do you guys think. Are all beta NF's percieved this way with INTp's?

ENFJs are the uber social climbers, even ESFJs are not as focused on that as you guys. But I know your secret lusty desires too

woah! wat is our secret lust desirees Dioklecian? haaa??

[lefty]

So today was our last day in classes before graduation and I asked my INTp English teacher to tell us what he thought of me and my friends. He told me that I was emotional and that it was "second nature" to me, and he also told me that I was intuitive. Anyway he said behind all the emotions, and my intuition I don't possess a thirst for real knowledge or logic . What do you guys think. Are all beta NF's percieved this way with INTp's?

ENFJs are the uber social climbers, even ESFJs are not as focused on that as you guys. But I know your secret lusty desires too

woah! wat is our secret lust desirees Dioklecian? haaa??

well...socionics speculates that enfjs want to be rich, does it not?

lefty
enfj 4w5

[idealistichick]

So today was our last day in classes before graduation and I asked my INTp English teacher to tell us what he thought of me and my friends. He told me that I was emotional and that it was "second nature" to me, and he also told me that I was intuitive. Anyway he said behind all the emotions, and my intuition I don't possess a thirst for real knowledge or logic . What do you guys think. Are all beta NF's percieved this way with INTp's?

ENFJs are the uber social climbers, even ESFJs are not as focused on that as you guys. But I know your secret lusty desires too

woah! wat is our secret lust desirees Dioklecian? haaa??

well...socionics speculates that enfjs want to be rich, does it not?

lefty
enfj 4w5

yes lefty and I'm pretty sure that's accurate but I wanted to know wat Diko.... meant

[sarinana]

After my experience with ILIs men I would say they are the most boring and self-pitying partners I have ever had! They say they aren't the jealous type and let you go to the party alone because they have to work, study etc. But after the party they start act cold and you can do nothing with it.
But the worst thing about them is that they have no passion! They have this depressing love going around them. They write poems to you but actually all they want is to have someone who will deal with all they problems (and they have a lot of them) when you stop carrying about his hysteric mother or rude boss and start talking about things YOU care they decide that you are too apathetic and start act cold again and what means NO SEX (which isn't a big loss because i found ILIs men too soft and again... boring in bed).
Oh and ILIs are really very loyal... physically only.. because they do NOT forget half of their exes.
Being a SEE girl I don't believe in -your dual is the best for you- theory anymore. I am going out with another SEE right now and he is the best man I have ever had!


And sorry for my English.

[Satan]

maybe you're really an INTp. .. and you don't realise how cold you yourself are!

[sarinana]

If I was an INTp I probably now wouldn't be writing this but doing some work.

[Satan]

If I was an INTp I probably now wouldn't be writing this but doing some work.

THEN DO SOME WORK!!! STOP PROCRASTINATING !!!

[Mea]

If I was an INTp I probably now wouldn't be writing this but doing some work.

if you're an ILI, you wouldn't be doing either. you'll probably be lazing around or messing with your computer.

[Warlord]

After my experience with ILIs men I would say they are the most boring and self-pitying partners I have ever had! They say they aren't the jealous type and let you go to the party alone because they have to work, study etc. But after the party they start act cold and you can do nothing with it.
But the worst thing about them is that they have no passion! They have this depressing love going around them. They write poems to you but actually all they want is to have someone who will deal with all they problems (and they have a lot of them) when you stop carrying about his hysteric mother or rude boss and start talking about things YOU care they decide that you are too apathetic and start act cold again and what means NO SEX (which isn't a big loss because i found ILIs men too soft and again... boring in bed).
Oh and ILIs are really very loyal... physically only.. because they do NOT forget half of their exes.
Being a SEE girl I don't believe in -your dual is the best for you- theory anymore. I am going out with another SEE right now and he is the best man I have ever had!


And sorry for my English.

You say in plural, but this really only sounds like just one person.

I don't write poems That's lame.

[sarinana]

well i had two INTps and they were identical. except one was chronically depressed and the other wasn't.

[sarinana]

and poems... they are sweet when you have a man who doesn't know how to say compliments.

[Mea]

that ILI you know sounds kinda self obsessed. he seems to only wanna talk about his own problems and not listen to what you have to say. there's something terribly wrong with him. lol!

i don't write poems either. i have better things to do, like computer games.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

After my experience with ILIs men I would say they are the most boring and self-pitying partners I have ever had! They say they aren't the jealous type and let you go to the party alone because they have to work, study etc. But after the party they start act cold and you can do nothing with it.
But the worst thing about them is that they have no passion! They have this depressing love going around them. They write poems to you but actually all they want is to have someone who will deal with all they problems (and they have a lot of them) when you stop carrying about his hysteric mother or rude boss and start talking about things YOU care they decide that you are too apathetic and start act cold again and what means NO SEX (which isn't a big loss because i found ILIs men too soft and again... boring in bed).
Oh and ILIs are really very loyal... physically only.. because they do NOT forget half of their exes.
Being a SEE girl I don't believe in -your dual is the best for you- theory anymore. I am going out with another SEE right now and he is the best man I have ever had!


And sorry for my English.

It sounds like the INTp's you've known have tried to open up to you. Interesting, ESFp's i've known quite like seeing what's behind, their little sensitive souls. Maybe you are looking for fun just now in life rather than someone serious.

[sarinana]

ESFp's i've known quite like seeing what's behind, their little sensitive souls. Maybe you are looking for fun just now in life rather than someone serious.

I like seeing what's behind and I think that was the only reason why I've been with them for so long.

[sarinana]

Your INTp sounds like a friend of mine who I've typed as INFp though he's hardly like the other INFps I know but has way more Fe than Te any day.

I sometimes write poetry but I'm a girl, so there.

And I don't know about others, but I sure as hell am one to avoid doing work if I can unless it's a project I'm doing out of my own initiative. Otherwise I'm lazy as hell.

He sounds like another depressed IP who needs a hug and needs to get the f*ck over himself and realize not everyone is his mommy. People like that piss everyone else off.

Yeah he was lazy but he always had this answer "I have to do some work" when I wanted to take him out.

And not everyone... now he has this girlfriend who seem to deal with him just fine and she is not ESFp. They haven't got any fights in 4 months period.

[sarinana]

that ILI you know sounds kinda self obsessed. he seems to only wanna talk about his own problems and not listen to what you have to say. there's something terribly wrong with him. lol!

i don't write poems either. i have better things to do, like computer games.

well he plays computer games too and this is not a good thing since he is 22.

[Mea]

well he plays computer games too and this is not a good thing since he is 22.

i'm 22.

[Elro]

well he plays computer games too and this is not a good thing since he is 22.

The average age of a video game player in the United States is 35; you don't outgrow video games.

Edit: although taken to an excess it can interfere with other aspects of life.

[redbaron]

I've been more and more noticing "coldness" in guys .. I think quite a lot of guys do it ..

yes. me too. and not just ILIs.

[redbaron]

I know a male ILI who's married to an SEE (for like 16 years now) and he writes poetry. He's great at it actually. She's very bubbly and yeah I think she likes his soft depressive qualities. I find him charming but ultimately would bug the living daylights out of me if I had to live with him. He makes a good friend though.

[Khamelion]

not all people of a certain type are the same.



their psychological make up, aka, the part we try to explain with personality type theories and other bullshit, is only one third of who they actually are or why they are that way. if even that much.

[Satan]

yes. me too. and not just ILIs.

You're a girl, you're allowed to notice coldness in guys. I'm a guy - I'm not meant to notice

On the flip side, I think that I too can be cold at times. And from that point of view, I don't give a shit

[redbaron]

You're a girl, you're allowed to notice coldness in guys. I'm a guy - I'm not meant to notice

On the flip side, I think that I too can be cold at times. And from that point of view, I don't give a shit

Well I suppose if I'm honest, I'll admit that I can appear cold at times also. Sometimes it feels like either I'm on or off, like a lightbulb. If I'm on, I'm warm, to everyone. If I'm off, I'm cold unless someone says something or gives me a look or something to flip that switch.