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    How do you find ENTj chicks?

    Where are they usually found?

    How do they look like?

    What's characteristic of them?
    She is wise
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    her soul
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    the sun
    lovelier than
    love
    dreams larger
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    and does not
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    meaning of no.
    Because everything
    through her, and in her, is
    "Yes, it will be done."


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    A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!

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    Why, thanks.

    So is there really no one who can enlighten me about how female ENTj's are like? Or is it true that ENTj's only come in the masculine form?
    She is wise
    beyond words
    beautiful within
    her soul
    brighter than
    the sun
    lovelier than
    love
    dreams larger
    than life
    and does not
    understand the
    meaning of no.
    Because everything
    through her, and in her, is
    "Yes, it will be done."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbie
    A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueBlade
    Why, thanks.

    So is there really no one who can enlighten me about how female ENTj's are like? Or is it true that ENTj's only come in the masculine form?
    The one I know is manly, all right. And cocky in a cute way. Visit the official Gamma type thread for typical expressions. Read my blog for personal experience if you're interested. Someone who makes you want to go "she is SOOOOOOOOOOOO cool, beats half of the male population!" Life of the party, good at impersonating people, easy-going, but will suddenly become silent and turn a deaf ear on you when immersed in work. role will manifest itself in the tendency to flee the scene -- or leave someone alone -- in the face of hysteria and sobbing. Can penetrate your personality within days, noticing long-term patterns in your behaviour just from a few observations. Open, wide smile that often turns into a smirk in photographs. Puns: will interrupt someone to insert a different -- and funnier -- interpretation of what they previously said. Will compliment you in front of others and praise your good traits and actions without the slightest hesitation. Will liven up the atmosphere with jokes when there's someone depressed. Will occasionally practice intimidation for fun. If you're very introverted and ask them if you're introverted or extroverted, will reply that you have "weak energy" -- the ability to feel energy extends to photographs, so if you ask them to comment on a picture of an type, they may comment on how the subject has "strong Chi". Not necessarily good at maths... my friend is at risk of repeating her studies! Mind you, this is with the subtype in mind. Look out for the crossed-arms pose, tilted head and lopsided smirk in photographs:

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    Some famous ENTj women (in my opinion)

    Camille Paglia




    Ann Coulter




    Jodie Foster




    Yulia Tymoshenko

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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueBlade
    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    ISFj now? Oh little furbly blue blade, you're a funny one.
    Hug me.
    isfj??? naaah. no way. but you can have a hug <3 :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    ISFj now? Oh little furbly blue blade, you're a funny one.
    Yeah. Reminds me of how I used to be like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    they don't exist.
    Though oddly enough, one of the best examples of an ENTj who I personally know of in real life is one of these non-existant female ENTjs.
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    My manager at work is a female ENTj, although I'm not really sure of her subtype. She's lovely, I used to be sat opposite her in the office although I've since moved. We always got on well, mirror relations obviously. She was very patient with me actually, as in the first year at my work I had a lot of anger problems which occasionally manifested themselves (my previous job had a lot to do with this), although she kept me employed. She's very compassionate towards people IMO, she's like the mother of the office in a way. This has occasionally led me to wonder if she's Ni subtype, but I really haven't studied subtypes enough to know this. Just a random stab in the dark, so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    they don't exist.
    Though oddly enough, one of the best examples of an ENTj who I personally know of in real life is one of these non-existant female ENTjs.
    now you can't just go and say something like that and not a bit about her. i'm curious to hear about an exemplary ENTj who happens to be female.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diamond8
    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueBlade
    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    ISFj now? Oh little furbly blue blade, you're a funny one.
    Hug me.
    isfj??? naaah. no way. but you can have a hug <3 :wink:
    Hug? Yay!

    Naah? Why not?
    She is wise
    beyond words
    beautiful within
    her soul
    brighter than
    the sun
    lovelier than
    love
    dreams larger
    than life
    and does not
    understand the
    meaning of no.
    Because everything
    through her, and in her, is
    "Yes, it will be done."


    Why I love LSEs:
    Quote Originally Posted by Abbie
    A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueBlade
    Quote Originally Posted by diamond8
    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueBlade
    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    ISFj now? Oh little furbly blue blade, you're a funny one.
    Hug me.
    isfj??? naaah. no way. but you can have a hug <3 :wink:
    Hug? Yay!

    Naah? Why not?
    dunno...even the above....just doesn't sound isfj. at all. they're not so demonstrative, i think.

    you sound more Fe to me. :wink:

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    So 'sup with the wink diamond, you be thinking I'm ISFp?

    Well expat, what do you think?
    She is wise
    beyond words
    beautiful within
    her soul
    brighter than
    the sun
    lovelier than
    love
    dreams larger
    than life
    and does not
    understand the
    meaning of no.
    Because everything
    through her, and in her, is
    "Yes, it will be done."


    Why I love LSEs:
    Quote Originally Posted by Abbie
    A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Hashish
    Quote Originally Posted by KSpin
    Quote Originally Posted by Hashish
    Are you INTP looking for your 'perfect match'? I'm INTP either and I've also been looking for my female mirror but I'm afraid I haven't met any yet. However I don't think that ENTJ would suit to me 'cause I know a male ENTJ and I find him quite annoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueBlade
    So 'sup with the wink diamond, you be thinking I'm ISFp?

    Well expat, what do you think?
    Well you definitely sound more ISFp than ISFj, Fe>Fi.

    On ENTj chicks, a trick to spot them -- they are probably the type of women most likely to be single for "no obvious reason", very often or for quite some time. You find a woman who's reasonably good-looking and intelligent and successful but "suprisingly" single or in no "serious" relationship, there's a good chance that she's an ENTj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueBlade
    So 'sup with the wink diamond, you be thinking I'm ISFp?

    Well expat, what do you think?
    Well you definitely sound more ISFp than ISFj, Fe>Fi.

    On ENTj chicks, a trick to spot them -- they are probably the type of women most likely to be single for "no obvious reason", very often or for quite some time. You find a woman who's reasonably good-looking and intelligent and successful but "suprisingly" single or in no "serious" relationship, there's a good chance that she's an ENTj.
    Do you see that as a part of Fi dual-seeking?

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    Also, I think one of my female coworkers is an ENTj. Typical Te-dominant look: upbeat but bland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueBlade
    So 'sup with the wink diamond, you be thinking I'm ISFp?

    Well expat, what do you think?
    Well you definitely sound more ISFp than ISFj, Fe>Fi.

    On ENTj chicks, a trick to spot them -- they are probably the type of women most likely to be single for "no obvious reason", very often or for quite some time. You find a woman who's reasonably good-looking and intelligent and successful but "suprisingly" single or in no "serious" relationship, there's a good chance that she's an ENTj.
    Do you see that as a part of Fi dual-seeking?
    I second the question. How's Fi at the dual-seeking post like?

    And people who just met me tell me that I look fierce. And tough. That doesn't sound very ISFp to me. ISFp's seem to me, as soft, gentle creatures. I seem to display Se>Si, and Fi>Fe.
    She is wise
    beyond words
    beautiful within
    her soul
    brighter than
    the sun
    lovelier than
    love
    dreams larger
    than life
    and does not
    understand the
    meaning of no.
    Because everything
    through her, and in her, is
    "Yes, it will be done."


    Why I love LSEs:
    Quote Originally Posted by Abbie
    A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueBlade
    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueBlade
    So 'sup with the wink diamond, you be thinking I'm ISFp?

    Well expat, what do you think?
    Well you definitely sound more ISFp than ISFj, Fe>Fi.

    On ENTj chicks, a trick to spot them -- they are probably the type of women most likely to be single for "no obvious reason", very often or for quite some time. You find a woman who's reasonably good-looking and intelligent and successful but "suprisingly" single or in no "serious" relationship, there's a good chance that she's an ENTj.
    Do you see that as a part of Fi dual-seeking?
    I second the question. How's Fi at the dual-seeking post like?

    And people who just met me tell me that I look fierce. And tough. That doesn't sound very ISFp to me. ISFp's seem to me, as soft, gentle creatures. I seem to display Se>Si, and Fi>Fe.
    People say the same thing about me -- fierce, that is -- and INFps are supposed to be darlings who never let the Tutankhamon’s smile falter
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush
    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    On ENTj chicks, a trick to spot them -- they are probably the type of women most likely to be single for "no obvious reason", very often or for quite some time. You find a woman who's reasonably good-looking and intelligent and successful but "suprisingly" single or in no "serious" relationship, there's a good chance that she's an ENTj.
    Do you see that as a part of Fi dual-seeking?
    Yes. More specifically I see that as a characteristic of Gamma combination of values, with ENTjs and particularly women most prone to it. I don't think it applies as clearly to ESTj women.

    This is not to mean that no ENTj woman will be in a relationship, obviousy.
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    ENTj women as I have experienced them: often quite loud, firm, aggressive, take charge, competent, impatient, straightforward, often have a slight smirk on their faces, seem angry/volatile but like they are holding the emotion inwards well at the same time. I agree that some (not all) of them are quite manly looking and do not come across as physically attractive in the traditional sense.

    ENTj women are far more pleasant for me to be around that ENTj men...no stupid discomfort inducing corny jokes and with the exception of Ann Coulter they often are quite intelligent with a huge store of useful information.
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    ENTj women definitely do exist. I am one and it's an interesting life. I admit thought that most ENTjs that I know are guys. Spotting us is not really that different from spotting male ENTjs. I wouldn't go as far as to say that we are masculine (because with that word images of female WWE wrestling come to mind), but we often do have pretty male interests ie. sport, technology, business. There are differences though. Nurture tones down some of the more extreme ENTJ characteristics such as weird clothes choices and bawdy sexual jokes, but the basic behaviour pattern is still there. My checklist would be as such:

    Physical
    Either a pretty square jawline or one that is long and angular - this is based on many ENTj VIs I've seen

    Eyes that tend to look past the camera in photos ( )

    A salesman-like grin (my friends tell me I do this all the time in photos) or the classic ENTj semi-smirk (combination of poor and , I think)

    A fairly straight fast-moving walking speed (thought I don't know what function this relates to)

    A dressing style that looks permanently formal with fairly conservative colour choices (a lot of ENTj women learn young that they can't pull off more out-there colour combinations due to poor )

    The crossed arms pose


    When you talk to us

    Generally a fairly loud voice (poor )

    May often be involved in a debate of sorts and be enjoying it ()

    Will ask many factual questions ()


    Other

    Often will be workaholics or perfectionists (I think this is poor )

    Will probably enjoy making money (?)

    Would likely be a feminist (ie. Camille Paglia)


    Of course, this is pretty generalised, based on myself and the small sample of ENTj women that I know. Feel free to dispute the points. You know how we love debates

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    haha i definitely agree with all of your descriptions of entj women. I work with an ENTj and she's one of the sweetest people ever! I sometimes feel bad though because its tough being an ENTj chick. ENTj's are strong-ass people- definitely defy female stereotypes. If there's any interested 25+ ISFj dudes for my ENTj co-worker living in the tri-state area let me know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive
    haha i definitely agree with all of your descriptions of entj women. I work with an ENTj and she's one of the sweetest people ever! I sometimes feel bad though because its tough being an ENTj chick. ENTj's are strong-ass people- definitely defy female stereotypes. If there's any interested 25+ ISFj dudes for my ENTj co-worker living in the tri-state area let me know!
    2nd what isha said - you're awesome.

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    awww shucks u guys r awesome too! thanks for fulfilling my hidden agenda and loving us crazy SEE's! ahhh gamma quadra love fo sho!
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    I have no idea what they are like. Examples? How must I attract them?

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    1. What are we like... we define ourselves by what we do, which is work. Ask for work and an ENTj will reveal what they are like.
    2. Examples: Apparently, me. I could give a long description of my character but my behaviour itself is telling enough. Also, I would probably LIE, nomen est omen wink wink. Referring to 1.), my future work is management, I like to engage with art(ists) of all kinds.
    3. There is no "must", being your raw self is enough. Q.e.d.: ask a question the way you just did and we come running to explain it to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    1. What are we like... we define ourselves by what we do, which is work. Ask for work and an ENTj will reveal what they are like
    So what do you do
    go on type me I fuckin dare u

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    Quote Originally Posted by totalize View Post
    So what do you do
    I do myself mwahah

    see 2.), I explained it there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    I do myself mwahah

    see 2.), I explained it there?
    hmm ok. I was hoping for some more substantiation ...

    what do you WANT to do?
    go on type me I fuckin dare u

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    Quote Originally Posted by totalize View Post
    hmm ok. I was hoping for some more substantiation ...

    what do you WANT to do?
    Explaining what one does through Ni isn't possible. You have to ask specifically about what I have been doing, what I currently do, and what I probably will do in the future instead (which I would not bother replying to, it's too much work to list all of this).
    What I want to do is easy - I explained it in my typing thread in a more extensive fashion - dance Consuming and creating entertainment is my thing, that's why I want to manage performers, vice versa so to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Explaining what one does through Ni isn't possible. You have to ask specifically about what I have been doing, what I currently do, and what I probably will do in the future instead (which I would not bother replying to, it's too much work to list all of this).
    What I want to do is easy - I explained it in my typing thread in a more extensive fashion - dance Consuming and creating entertainment is my thing, that's why I want to manage performers, vice versa so to say.
    Lol. Representative of your type eh?

    I'm [soon] an entrepreneur. I found this easy to say in one sentence
    go on type me I fuckin dare u

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Explaining what one does through Ni isn't possible. You have to ask specifically about what I have been doing, what I currently do, and what I probably will do in the future instead (which I would not bother replying to, it's too much work to list all of this).
    What I want to do is easy - I explained it in my typing thread in a more extensive fashion - dance Consuming and creating entertainment is my thing, that's why I want to manage performers, vice versa so to say.
    So your claim is that LIEs are unable to explain what they actually do (because it's too much work...), yet they find it easy to explain what they like to do? Riiiiiiight.

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    I saw those threads. People seem to be going off of limited information to reach their conclusions, and few people are actually debating the types. There are a few people who oppose some of the typings but sufficient reasoning is nowhere to be found. I'm talking about the LIE typings specifically.

    But thank you for the replies. May someone explain how to differentiate LIE women from LSE women? Particularly the Te subtypes. I stay true to myself, but there must be a few things I can do that attract LIE women more than if I didn't do them. Please help, I am lonely

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    Quote Originally Posted by totalize View Post
    Lol. Representative of your type eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guardian View Post
    I saw those threads. People seem to be going off of limited information to reach their conclusions, and few people are actually debating the types. There are a few people who oppose some of the typings but sufficient reasoning is nowhere to be found. I'm talking about the LIE typings specifically.

    But thank you for the replies. May someone explain how to differentiate LIE women from LSE women? Particularly the Te subtypes. I stay true to myself, but there must be a few things I can do that attract LIE women more than if I didn't do them. Please help, I am lonely
    Mhm, you have a point.

    Now, as for the differences:

    - LIE-Te's weakest functions are Fe,Si,Fi. Aka the ones you are really good at. You can spot this type of LIE by their strict and overly enterprising manner, they are strongly focused on whatever strategy they pursue and disregard those who want to disturb them. Very principled and stubborn, manages things well. VERY dynamic. Keen on moral conduction of all things, criticizes flaws. Persistent and firm. Hates to be disrespected and has a temper connected to that. Able to mobilize support.


    -LSE-Te's weakest functions are Fe, Ni, Fi. So they lack the intuitive element and not Si, which lends a manner that is more dry and serious, lacking in wit. Sharp and more vindictive than LIE-Te, the latter moves on with ease. Far more orderly and realistic in their projects, more disciplined. Quality >idea. Secretive about their feelings. Talks less, does more. Tireless worker, conservativist (while LIE likes all things novel), monitors order religiously and is occupied with real-life functionality. Rather does everything on their own.

    As for your agenda of attracting a LIE-Te, stay grounded at first. When you feel lonely (= incomplete), you will get only 50% of a person, equally. Look for someone complementary who doesn't fill a void, but is attracted to you as a 100%-person, being a 100% person themselves. When you can't deal with being lonely on your own, your dual can't fix that. When they're gone, you're lonely again, and that can happen any day. So watch out when Fi's dependency enters the picture and reflect on what other wishes besides having a dual are there. Look for an environment to be in that values Te instead so you can develop your character (this forum is a good choice ). Health level is very important when attracting one's dual, you would probably attract LIE-Te already if your ESI-ness was in full bloom. Meaning: character development > dualization. Dualization can help develop character but working on oneself does matter before jumping right into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    So your claim is that LIEs are unable to explain what they actually do (because it's too much work...), yet they find it easy to explain what they like to do? Riiiiiiight.
    My claim is not that LIEs in general do this, this is about me and yes I am biased as hell about what I like since we're talking Gamma here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guardian View Post
    People seem to be going off of limited information to reach their conclusions, and few people are actually debating the types.
    This information is enough to type correctly with good probability.
    Socionics (MBT, Jung's typology) has no objective basis and single-valued methods - it operates with possibilities in significant ranges and multiple interpratations, so debating means not much. One makes one conclusion, the other makes other on same data, and there is no way they may protect their opinion with high objectivity. People just share their subjective types opinions and speculations - this is main aim and the only possibility today. The more an opinion gets agreements, the more probability it's correct. When people don't know external opinions about type beforhand, they have typing match ~15-20% in average, and as this is higher than random such sharing of opinions has a sense. Such is common typing on forums and best way to use them still.

    > May someone explain how to differentiate LIE women from LSE women?

    Like any 2 types. Compare types descriptions and intertype effects with your type to assume to which side a woman is closer. Examples will help to understand the difference between types.

    > Particularly the Te subtypes.

    There are no subtypes in normal socionics. Those are baseless hypotheses.

    > I stay true to myself, but there must be a few things I can do that attract LIE women more than if I didn't do them.

    When you behave like is natural for your type, you are such.
    Also your type may be other. I recomend to make typing thread to check it.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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