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    Default Rationality Vs. Irrationality

    What are the pros and cons of each, and which is preferred a) by people on this forum and b) by people in all walks of life?

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    none of the above. treating the dichotomy in this fashion will get you absolutely nowhere.

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    Lol. Your preference is determined by your type, so what are you asking?
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    Maybe read some Socionics literature for yourself before you come around asking us to explain every single thing to you.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    irrationality > all

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSpin
    Lol. Your preference is determined by your type, so what are you asking?
    Well, I'm allegedly P, but I think J is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Maybe read some Socionics literature for yourself before you come around asking us to explain every single thing to you.
    This was more to do with people's opinion than the god-(sorry, Augustina-)given truth.

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    P is better than J : why ?

    P types are flexible and tolerant - J types are aggressive and hostile

    P types live on reality - J types live on a bubble

    P types sees what IS - J types sees what SHOULD BE

    P types are realistic - J types are bureaucratic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by KSpin
    Lol. Your preference is determined by your type, so what are you asking?
    Well, I'm allegedly P, but I think J is better.
    EP people are usually glad that they do things in the spur of the moment and that they are not "stiff" all the time.
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    This part usually makes it easy to tell the difference:

    strengths

    Rationals:
    * act decisively and keep correct course in stable circumstances
    * keeping things under order
    * completing one task before starting another

    Irrationals:
    * act decisively in unstable circumstances
    * improvisation; changing plans midstream
    * doing several tasks at once

    weaknesses

    Rationals:
    * easily disoriented when put in situations with quickly changing rules
    * often have difficulty relaxing after tasks are over

    Irrationals:
    * become passive and lose interest in unchanging environment
    * often have difficulty getting revved up sufficiently for task at hand until there is a crisis

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    Rhetoric, dear machintruc:

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    P types are flexible and tolerant - J types are aggressive and hostile
    P types are pushovers - J types are assertive

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    P types live on reality - J types live on a bubble
    P types have no sense of timing - J types are well-executed

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    P types sees what IS - J types sees what SHOULD BE
    P types live for the moment - J types carefully plan long-term

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    P types are realistic - J types are bureaucratic
    P types have no imagination - J types hold society together


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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by KSpin
    Lol. Your preference is determined by your type, so what are you asking?
    Well, I'm allegedly P, but I think J is better.
    EP people are usually glad that they do things in the spur of the moment and that they are not "stiff" all the time.
    I'm confident in my ability to be able to plan... then change that plan if needs be. In this way, you could say I'm either a j type with a well-developed p side, or a p type who knows how to utilise j effectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Rhetoric, dear machintruc:

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    P types are flexible and tolerant - J types are aggressive and hostile
    P types are pushovers - J types are assertive

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    P types live on reality - J types live on a bubble
    P types have no sense of timing - J types are well-executed

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    P types sees what IS - J types sees what SHOULD BE
    P types live for the moment - J types carefully plan long-term

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    P types are realistic - J types are bureaucratic
    P types have no imagination - J types hold society together

    I was joking, dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Rhetoric, dear machintruc:

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    P types are flexible and tolerant - J types are aggressive and hostile
    P types are pushovers - J types are assertive
    O really? What about the Ep, Se dominants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    P types live on reality - J types live on a bubble
    P types have no sense of timing - J types are well-executed
    Err.. You're saying Ni dominants have no sense of timing at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    P types sees what IS - J types sees what SHOULD BE
    P types live for the moment - J types carefully plan long-term
    Wow. What about Ne, Ni dominants.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    P types are realistic - J types are bureaucratic
    P types have no imagination - J types hold society together

    Again, you're saying the Ne and Ni dominants have no imagination. And they're irritationals. "p" types.
    lol. I hope you're joking.
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    this topic does not exist. it is a figment of the collective unconscious of all.

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    HAHAHA. First sign of insanity attempting to deny reality. Or, as some people would have it, "only human".

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    Mea, I assumed " " signified my joking tone. Perhaps being fun-loving just doesn't translate well over a screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    HAHAHA. First sign of insanity attempting to deny reality. Or, as some people would have it, "only human".
    you're relatively new, so we'll give you a pass for your lack of experience: my insanity was established around here long, long ago.

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    I'll keep that in mind mate.

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    I see many reasons to think I'm more rational than irrational. The absolute model of socionics is misleading. One exists in some point of a scale between two extremes and the closer you're to the middle the more characteristics you share of both modes.
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    I am irrational according to just about every J/P description out there.

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    I think j has always been more evident for me. I have flashes of p, but it has never come natural to me.

    Mike, you're right, although Socionics doesn't teach in poles and in dichotomies as such, most people are closer to rational/irrational if they're irrational/rational respectively than they might think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    I think j has always been more evident for me. I have flashes of p, but it has never come natural to me.

    Mike, you're right, although Socionics doesn't teach in poles and in dichotomies as such, most people are closer to rational/irrational if they're irrational/rational respectively than they might think.
    Maybe you're an LSI. This would explain why I feel like I have to follow you everywhere with a blunt object in hand.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    I think j has always been more evident for me. I have flashes of p, but it has never come natural to me.

    Mike, you're right, although Socionics doesn't teach in poles and in dichotomies as such, most people are closer to rational/irrational if they're irrational/rational respectively than they might think.
    Maybe you're an LSI. This would explain why I feel like I have to follow you everywhere with a blunt object in hand.
    Lol serious?
    I just read his self description in Gamma. He seems Ne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    I think j has always been more evident for me. I have flashes of p, but it has never come natural to me.

    Mike, you're right, although Socionics doesn't teach in poles and in dichotomies as such, most people are closer to rational/irrational if they're irrational/rational respectively than they might think.
    Maybe you're an LSI. This would explain why I feel like I have to follow you everywhere with a blunt object in hand.
    In order for this method of typing to be useful, we'd have to find people who *don't* feel that way.
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    Well, I'm the only one who actually makes good on it. The again, I felt much the same compulsion with Joy, who was rather clearly not an LSI...
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    I think j has always been more evident for me. I have flashes of p, but it has never come natural to me.

    Mike, you're right, although Socionics doesn't teach in poles and in dichotomies as such, most people are closer to rational/irrational if they're irrational/rational respectively than they might think.
    Maybe you're an LSI. This would explain why I feel like I have to follow you everywhere with a blunt object in hand.


    But I don't see myself as Introverted. I don't think many - if any one - I know would consider me to be that either. I'm not basing it on dichotomies, but an Introverted function first doesn't really fit me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    I think j has always been more evident for me. I have flashes of p, but it has never come natural to me.

    Mike, you're right, although Socionics doesn't teach in poles and in dichotomies as such, most people are closer to rational/irrational if they're irrational/rational respectively than they might think.
    Maybe you're an LSI. This would explain why I feel like I have to follow you everywhere with a blunt object in hand.


    But I don't see myself as Introverted. I don't think many - if any one - I know would consider me to be that either. I'm not basing it on dichotomies, but an Introverted function first doesn't really fit me.
    What a rather backward thing to say.

    Edit: I don't like going out in the hot mid-day sun because it's yellow.
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    FWIW, LSI is considered "the most extroverted" of introverts (Se subtypes obviously moreso than Ti).
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    FWIW, LSI is considered "the most extroverted" of introverts (Se subtypes obviously moreso than Ti).
    So what makes them different to, say, LSEs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSpin
    What a rather backward thing to say.

    Edit: I don't like going out in the hot mid-day sun because it's yellow.
    Heheh, I only said it because several times in the past I've been directed to "Rick's Blog" and told to "think in terms of functions not dichotomies". I was just clarifying that I was in fact thinking in terms of functions and not dichotomies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    FWIW, LSI is considered "the most extroverted" of introverts (Se subtypes obviously moreso than Ti).
    So what makes them different to, say, LSEs?
    LSIs and LSEs have completely different ego-block functions. That's how they're different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by KSpin
    What a rather backward thing to say.

    Edit: I don't like going out in the hot mid-day sun because it's yellow.
    Heheh, I only said it because several times in the past I've been directed to "Rick's Blog" and told to "think in terms of functions not dichotomies". I was just clarifying that I was in fact thinking in terms of functions and not dichotomies.
    The thing is, your statement showed that you -were- thinking in dichotomies.

    Saying you cannot have an introverted first function means you were essentially saying you couldn't be introverted. (So you must be Extroverted... and therefore thinking in dichotomies)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    FWIW, LSI is considered "the most extroverted" of introverts (Se subtypes obviously moreso than Ti).
    So what makes them different to, say, LSEs?
    This is why you need to actually learn about Socionics before you start going off at the mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    FWIW, LSI is considered "the most extroverted" of introverts (Se subtypes obviously moreso than Ti).
    So what makes them different to, say, LSEs?
    This is why you need to actually learn about Socionics before you start going off at the mouth.
    Hahaha.

    Like I said, I learn while I speak. I learn through interaction with others. I learn that you have a huge problem with me through what you say.

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    I don't have a huge problem with you, though what I've said to you so far pretty clearly implies as much. I try not to form really solid opinions on people ever; I do my best to treat people as they treat me, unless their behavior clearly merits otherwise by my judgment.

    I just think you need to make an effort to learn on your own before asking us to spoonfeed you and deal with your annoying questions.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Under cerulean skies...

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    Sorry. I should have known a 7 can't stand all this that has gone on too many times before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat
    I am irrational according to just about every J/P description out there.
    I will keep saying this until people take reason and learn the truth about this. If what you say here is true, then you cannot be an INTj. We should not accept a contradiction, and your presumed type contradicts what you say here. Therefore you are not an INTj, or what you state above is false. Choose another type, or change your understanding of the J/P dichotomy, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    FWIW, LSI is considered "the most extroverted" of introverts (Se subtypes obviously moreso than Ti).
    So what makes them different to, say, LSEs?
    This is why you need to actually learn about Socionics before you start going off at the mouth.
    Hahaha.

    Like I said, I learn while I speak. I learn through interaction with others. I learn that you have a huge problem with me through what you say.
    haha funny. so you think out loud, ezra? so do i. it annoys other people sometimes. but if i tell them i think out loud then they know that i'm just processing and haven't yet reached any conclusions. sure you're not an entp?

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