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    I now think Heath is ESTj rather than ISTp. He is full of and but he's talked about his work, and I think he has a managerial way about him which makes me think he's more Ej than Ip. Also, his Si might be more creative than accepting - he posts a lot about health, and healthy food, etc., and it's very conscious.
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    Yes. I think ESTj is more possible. I didn't quite agree with ISTp.
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    jeez. I have my days where I'm not managerial. Mostly because shouldering lots of responsibility makes you a go-to guy for supervisors and peers. I get cold in these situations. Like i've babyed everyone too much and have set my own standard too high. It can be a real burden when I want to relax and people won't stop asking me questions and telling me everything they did. Or my supervisors don't ever seem to ask anyone to do anything. Oh well. I guess I keep everything in order and don't mind extra responsibility when it is for something good. I'm such a fucking adult i make myself sick sometimes. My mom thinks I'm too demanding of myself. I think i'm too lazy. I am really lazy at home. I need to throw this computer away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    I'm such a fucking adult
    these words apply to an ESTJ indeed.


    BTW I know an ESTJ who can be lazy at home. He's an Si subtype.

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    i'm curious as hell as to what our relation is to eachother, heath.
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    I also know an ESTj who can be lazy at home. He is a good man, nevertheless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    i'm curious as hell as to what our relation is to eachother, heath.
    <3 ?
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    I agree with ESTj Si subtype as well. Heath strikes me as someone more authoritative and has stronger opinions about people as compared to an average ISTp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heath
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    i'm curious as hell as to what our relation is to eachother, heath.
    <3 ?
    what a loaded q.

    your blushing emoticon is sort of making me uncomfortable. ): it's okay, though, i'm blushing, too now. ):
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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    i'm curious as hell as to what our relation is to eachother, heath.
    The way you've talked about heath, you supervising him doesn't make much sense, does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush
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    i'm curious as hell as to what our relation is to eachother, heath.
    The way you've talked about heath, you supervising him doesn't make much sense, does it?
    no, not always. but neither does it make sense for FDG, who was pretty sure heath was his supervisor as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
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    i'm curious as hell as to what our relation is to eachother, heath.
    The way you've talked about heath, you supervising him doesn't make much sense, does it?
    no, not always. but neither does it make sense for FDG, who was pretty sure heath was his supervisor as well.
    Huh?

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    Huh... ESTjs are rather aboveboard and will be outright combative in discussion. When heath voices his opinions, it's almost always cloaked in somewhat subtle sarcasm or tucked away in the midst of rambling prose. I think we should explore the possibility of him being INTj/INTp.
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
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    I think baby makes a great point. My personal debate is between intj and intp most often. I think INTj. I get along well with SiFe types(you know, the happy go lucky gals who can every once and a while push me out of my humble lifestyle). I don't think I supervise FDG. He seems like a guy to pal about with.

    Both INTp/j descriptions remind me of me, but I lean towards intj becaue I work with a very strong ESTj personality at work and we get along very well. No supervision on my part. I have somewhat strained relations with the ILI guy I know. I blame it on his penchant for being 'bad-ass.' He's too crafty. Not the sort of person I'd leave along with my rat if you catch my drift. But otherwise I can tolerate him because he plays guitar well.
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    I was waiting for your response to Baby's comments.

    So you think alpha>gamma, heath? That is possible.
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    I'm a very open person. And I am not vindictive or morally critical in person. In example: We had a gentlemen at the nursing home some time back who had sort of a nasty, cruel personality. He would sit with his wife and occasionally say bad things about old ladies. You know, I didn't mind, but the Fi types in the building were explosive and had to chat with him. But I am also very pragmatic, good with money, and know how to save/spend effectively. Which would lead me to think Te.
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    Particularly your video in the Video ID thread... (which should be revived...)
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    oh yeah. That. ahaha. I seem very ENTp I think. I'm usually much more subdued. You know cameras and their tricks.
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    I think you've got like crazy, but whatever. I'd say INTp > INTj. You're definitely Te. Te vs. Ti is probably the biggest thing I notice. In T types anyway.
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    the world may never know! I'm waiting out for the socionics meeting. All will be revealed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    But I am also very pragmatic, good with money, and know how to save/spend effectively. Which would lead me to think Te.
    So am I, though "ascetic" would probably be a better word. I do not like purchasing unnecessary luxuries. But when I do buy something it is of good quality and related to what I will use if for. (Obviously, I have discussed and researched some things here)


    So who do you think is your dual?
    ESFp?
    What do you think you could use the most help with in your life?
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    The case for INTj:

    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    My list assumes I have essiential cooking items like oil, butter, etc.

    I'd buy:

    seven grain bread
    whole wheat pasta
    multigrain tortillas
    granola cereal
    a hearty cracker(triscuits are good)
    Pita bread
    --
    tomatoes
    garlic
    onion
    --
    vegetarian refried beans
    --
    soup mixes
    canned soup
    --
    cheese(a must have!)
    plain yoghurt
    --
    fruits. Bananas and apples are great because they are cheap and contain a lot of calories
    --
    meat, if eaten sparingly, can be part of a healthy diet. Even beef. Toxicity depends on dose and frequency.

    these can really go a long way(I eat spaghetti everyday). I usually keep each of these items in stock for quick fixes and run to the grocery for as needed items like fresh, unique vegetables(ones I don't can't eat over and over like tomatoes) such as asparagus, brussel sprouts, etc. Canned soups are good, but I reccommend washing dumping the juicein the can to get out some of the sodium. I usually eat an entire can in a sitting and I don't think I need to have that many mgs of sodium in one meal(it's about a 1/3 more than the RDA). Of course, if you are in good health you can metabolize anything with few negative consequences. Honestly, your list is too expensive, udp.

    also, don't eat lettuce unless you hate life. The resources and cost that go into making a head of lettuce far outweigh their nutritional benefits. There are barely any calories and think how much fuel, fertilizer, and labor went into making something with almost no fucking calories!! It bothers me. leave the leaf alone. And no, supporting industry doesn't benefit anyone.
    hidden agenda expressed with tons of .

    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    unfortunately socionics isn't that easily delved into. you'll have to take a lot of time studying and reading before you begin typing people correctly. This is especially true concerning yourself. Listen to us. We're informed.


    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    rights imply duties for other people. People have a right to emotional expression. That implies I have a duty to let them be emotional-- I can't constrict their expression with violence, or any other means of realistic constriction. The right to emotional expression nowhere, and never will imply that we have to enjoy and treat their expressions with respect. If you wish people to have that right say, "People have the right to express emotion and others should treat every expression with respect regardless of their own opinion." This is not a path you want to take.

    oh, and another thing: Does hitchen's writing two pages stop anyone from feeling what they want to feel? Does his writing somehow hypnotize people away from their feelings? No. Does his argument say that he wishes to revoke people's rights to emotional expression? To live a society where any voice projected above a certain decibel is illegal? No. It is an article showing his frustration with the events. It's not a bill for Congress.
    role function.

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    Err, a good guess would be playing football/streethockey or baseball. Whn we played hockey i was always the goalie and i wasn't any good. I was afraid of the ball, and would pretty much tense up and dive out of the way if either of my brothers skated towards me. Football was different because my main goal was to pass the ball( i was all time qb ), i was okay at that, in fact i threw with damn good accuracy, but then everyone grew up and i stayed small.
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    his video
    I got an infantile vibe here. Somewhat self-effacing posture, and the intonation voicing was sort of clipped and almost childlike. I felt the need to counteract some of that bashfulness with . Yet, he had the appearance of dignity and knowingness that Ij types give off. Also, a bit of humor when he said something like "in the end when we do things like dying" or something to that extent.
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
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    thank you baby. You may be onto something.
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    i feel that that list could be completely and equally supported by ESTj as well.

    the times I have talked to heath, there is always some level of attraction and discomfort on my part. Heath has stated liking my "perpetual oddness" or something like that. I appreciate his general self sufficiency and directiveness...

    Heath we're not the same type. I am INTj. However, there are times where I have felt ESTj, the point being a type from a different quadra with some key elements in common.. for example, producing functions or being a J type.

    EDIT: also, baby, doesn't how UDP expresses his healthy list much different than how heath expresses it? what is tons of Ti, just having reasons for his list? In any case I think its much more.. ... than an INTj. I will try to think of just the right word...sorry

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    There's no way to tell over an internet forum. I'm grasping at straws while blindfolded, here. I still think he's Ij over Ej temperament, and that he's Ti>Te (I sense a bit of distance between himself and some of the Te types on this forum, actually... but internet dynamics are impossible to gauge with much accuracy).

    The biggest reason I find it hard to see ESTj is that an ESTj would find it impossible to tolerate most of the people on this forum for very long, lol. You'd think by now that if heath WERE ESTj, he'd have gotten into some doozies of arguments/fights/shows of rage at the utter impracticality and mindboggling insanity of much of what is said here. Heath is a lot more "devil-may-care" in regards to the people on this forum, and towards Socionics. I cannot imagine an ESTj being so nonchalant. If an ESTj were to arrive on this forum, we'd know.
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    Baby, I don't see why you think that's hidden agenda and not just creative . And I disagree with your assessment of ESTjs and that they'd be fighting and raging all over the place here. I think they'd act just like Heath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    Baby, I don't see why you think that's hidden agenda and not just creative . And I disagree with your assessment of ESTjs and that they'd be fighting and raging all over the place here. I think they'd act just like Heath.
    Off topic -- like Ezra is in his thread?
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    Like I said, I have no idea what an ESTj would be like over the internet. I can only hypothesize based on evidence I pull from real life. That said, I don't know heath as well as some of you seem to, and have no idea what he's like in person. He might very well be ESTj.
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
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    Re: Ezra - if you look at the people he responds well to, and the people he doesn't respond well to, it might indicate > preference.
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    From what I've seen, implied doesn't take too well to heath's pointing out aspects of hers, so it looks like he's supervising her. At least, he manages to hit a sensitive spot almost effortlessly. He came across to me as a total extravert in his video -- effusing energy, talks with hardly any pauses. Lastly, his standing pose is identical to that of my ESTj teacher's.
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    I don't supervise implied. She's a girl with a very good sense of reason and consequence, and given this, I try to appeal to her using facts-- facts that say her smoking is bad for her. But I want her to do as she wishes. The whole thing has become a big game since she has made notice of my actions. It's still funny to me to see her photos and think of her smoking. It seems impossible!

    also, baby-- you have not spoken directly to me as much as others, but you definitely know which of my posts are to be taken for my real thoughts and which are internet posturing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisonpure
    From what I've seen, implied doesn't take too well to heath's pointing out aspects of hers, so it looks like he's supervising her. At least, he manages to hit a sensitive spot almost effortlessly. He came across to me as a total extravert in his video -- effusing energy, talks with hardly any pauses. Lastly, his standing pose is identical to that of my ESTj teacher's.

    back to "implied is ISFp" we are (ESTj > ISFp?) i don't think there's a soul on this forum that you don't supervise, heath. if you can prove that, hotelambush and gilligan would be very happy lads. (; regarding my smoking, i don't ignore the facts, it's just a bad habit that i've yet to address. i agree with heath on a great number of things although sometimes i find him a bit obnoxious. i think he's more of a pain in the ass in the aspect than a threat. it's odd as we do seem to have very similar understandings of socionics. fwiw, my mom does the same thing, is ESFj, and it bugs me equally. he could be hitting a -polr as well, as he links the smoking thing to "poor decision-making." at any rate, i see more similarity (but not same-typed-ness) than dissimilarity. i just think he values a lot more than i do.
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    His diction and the way he presents himself seem almost identical to discojoe. Seriously, if I cover the names, I could almost imagine their posts coming from the same people. The biggest difference is that heath is dry and subtle where discojoe is caustic and usually lays it on pretty good.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    His diction and the way he presents himself seem almost identical to discojoe. Seriously, if I cover the names, I could almost imagine their posts coming from the same people. The biggest difference is that heath is dry and subtle where discojoe is caustic and usually lays it on pretty good.
    are you serious? i don't see the correlation really. i see the tom cruise/heathie similarities though.
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    ...What? I wasn't talking about looks at all.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    ...What? I wasn't talking about looks at all.
    i know you weren't, you were talking about "vibes" or something. his mannerisms remind me of tom cruise a bit too hah.
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    ; Not seeing it.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Heath is cool. Something about him i just like
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    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    also, baby-- you have not spoken directly to me as much as others, but you definitely know which of my posts are to be taken for my real thoughts and which are internet posturing.
    This is good news, because most of the time I'm not actually sure where the posturing ends and where real person begins. And not just for you posts, but everyone else's as well.
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
    -- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet

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    me too. I think you are a really genuine poster. Since this post i've been trying as hard as possible to be myself. It's weird to think that an internet forum with all it's anonymity and distance could still socially inhibit a person. but I suppose communication is communication regardless of medium.

    gilly: I agree that discojoe and I have a few concurrent themes. I think he is more caustic too. Another large difference between us is his tendency to ambiguity. He seems to love the act. In the posts where he is being sincere I have found nothing but respect for him. But I don't hold his negative and caustic posts against him because I think he finds pleasure in it, and I have found that same pleasure. I don't think either of us cruel-- we just take pleasure from some abnormal means.
    asd

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