least intellectual quadra?

[uninspired]

Meaning the quadra whose members are least interested in academic subjects for their own sake. Your thoughts?

[ScarlettLux]

Delta

[Khamelion]

Delta
Beta
Gamma
Alpha




in order from least to most

[aestrivex]

Meaning the quadra whose members are least interested in academic subjects for their own sake. Your thoughts?

gamma.

[Gilly]

Alpha would be the most into a subject simply for it's own sake. Other than that, I don't see any difference between the others.

[misutii]

Umm....... I'm just going to make generalizations because I don't see any other way to label one quadra as the "most intellectual"

1. Gamma (ENTjs + INTps = intellectual, ESFps somewhat if intelligent, ISFjs not really)

2. Beta (ENFjs + INFps yes, ESTps + ISTjs somewhat)

3. Alpha (ENTps + INTjs yes, ISFps + ESFjs = not in my experience at all)

4. Delta (ENFps + INFjs somewhat intellectual, ESTjs + ISTps not)


if I had to arrange the types according to "on average the most intellectual"

1. INTp
2. INTj
3. ENTj
4. ENFj
5. ENTp
6. INFp
7. ENFp
8. ESTp
9. INFj
10. ESFp
11. ISTj
12. ESTj
13. ISFj
14. ESFj
15. ISTp
16. ISFp

Anyways don't put too much into this, it's off the top of my head.

[olduser]

I disagree with this thread. I bet there are more delta scientists than there are beta and gamma scientists.

[Logos]

This entire thread is .

[machintruc]

least intellectual are Gamma - they are all aggressive pushy rednecks lol

prehistoric men were Gamma lol

this explains how Darwin (ILI) was Gamma - he believed that men used to be monkeys because he's himself a monkey lol

(this is a joke - don't take this too seriously)

[KSpin]

least intellectual are Gamma - they are all aggressive pushy rednecks lol

prehistoric men were Gamma lol

this explains how Darwin (ILI) was Gamma - he believed that men used to be monkeys because he's himself a monkey lol

(this is a joke - don't take this too seriously)

I'm going to burn down your house (if you have one) and steal all your bibles. I will then turn them into toilet paper.

(This is a joke - don't take this too seriously)

[drd252]

least intellectual are Gamma - they are all aggressive pushy rednecks lol

prehistoric men were Gamma lol

this explains how Darwin (ILI) was Gamma - he believed that men used to be monkeys because he's himself a monkey lol

(this is a joke - don't take this too seriously)

I'm going to burn down your house (if you have one) and steal all your bibles. I will then turn them into toilet paper.

(This is a joke - don't take this too seriously)

lmao

[misutii]

I disagree with this thread. I bet there are more delta scientists than there are beta and gamma scientists.

You're assuming that all "scientists" are intellectual. Being intellectual isn't about what you do at work, it's more so about what you do and think about on your own, by personal choice. Reading books, having discussions that challenge preconceived notions , it requires one to be open-minded towards ideas that themselves force you to accept that your view is wrong/incomplete. Scientists that get lost in method, carry out simple comfortable experiments for fear of causing controversy, and hold everything they've learned as infallible, are less intellectual than someone who works at a super-market during the day but spends their leisure time learning about the world from books and friends, questioning the foundations of their cultural/religious upbringing as a means to understand others.

Most scientists don't have the right to intellectual creativity, they merely follow the orders of their superiors to create an economically viable tool or drug. I am increasingly finding that occupation means less and less than it's built up to.

[Darkstar]

misutii, the thread author fucked up the topic and the question pretty good.

it is who is most interested in academic studies for their own sake. So I suppose those who study for world peace and non-egoistic things come pretty far down on the list. UNLESS they want to act non-egoistic so people will like them, then it is egoistic and therefore should be high on the list. OR if they.. .nah, just joking..

[olduser]

nope this thread is only for bums only. s.upermarket workers you know the type.

[discojoe]

I agree that ISFjs don't take on intellectual pursuits for their own sake, but I think they tend to go to such extremes to collect data (because of their hidden agenda) that they often become very "intellectual" in their chosen fields.

Christopher Hitchens is a prime example of this -- he is intimidatingly well-read in his areas of interest. He knows his stuff so thoroughly that his Ne is pretty well protected.

[Quirk Satellite Div.]

least intellectual are Gamma - they are all aggressive pushy rednecks lol

prehistoric men were Gamma lol

this explains how Darwin (ILI) was Gamma - he believed that men used to be monkeys because he's himself a monkey lol

(this is a joke - don't take this too seriously)

I'm going to burn down your house (if you have one) and steal all your bibles. I will then turn them into toilet paper.

(This is a joke - don't take this too seriously)

Haha, big difference between KSpin's joke and machintruc's joke is that KSpin's is actually funny.

I disagree with this thread. I bet there are more delta scientists than there are beta and gamma scientists.

I wouldn't doubt this being the case in biology-related/medical and pharmaceutical scientists. But we always need Delta's as lab technicians. ;-) j/k



I don't agree with the initial post's definition of intellectual. The definition of intellectual is not someone who is interested in a subject for the subject's own sake. Using this definition, Gammas can be possibly knocked off the list using the initial definition. Dictionary.com defines intellectual as.

–adjective
1. appealing to or engaging the intellect: intellectual pursuits.
2. of or pertaining to the intellect or its use: intellectual powers.
3. possessing or showing intellect or mental capacity, esp. to a high degree: an intellectual person.
4. guided or developed by or relying on the intellect rather than upon emotions or feelings; rational.
5. characterized by or suggesting a predominance of intellect: an intellectual way of speaking.
–noun
6. a person of superior intellect.
7. a person who places a high value on or pursues things of interest to the intellect or the more complex forms and fields of knowledge, as aesthetic or philosophical matters, esp. on an abstract and general level.
8. an extremely rational person; a person who relies on intellect rather than on emotions or feelings.
9. a person professionally engaged in mental labor, as a writer or teacher.

I think definition 7 is probably what most of us would consider intellectual. In my experience: Alpha SF's have the tendency to be the least intellectual, while some focused subtypes of some dominants tend not to be too intellectual. Some focused ISTp's in my experience tend to not be too intellectual either. I would take my observations with plenty of grains of salt; these results are very sketchy. Anyway, these are just tendencies, they aren't really innate qualities of the types. Let's remember that because someone is a non-intellect that it doesn't mean that they aren't intelligent.

[machintruc]

least intellectual are Gamma - they are all aggressive pushy rednecks lol

prehistoric men were Gamma lol

this explains how Darwin (ILI) was Gamma - he believed that men used to be monkeys because he's himself a monkey lol

(this is a joke - don't take this too seriously)

I'm going to burn down your house (if you have one) and steal all your bibles. I will then turn them into toilet paper.

(This is a joke - don't take this too seriously)

Haha, big difference between KSpin's joke and machintruc's joke is that KSpin's is actually funny.

What do you have against my jokes ? they are very funny you know ?

[KSpin]

least intellectual are Gamma - they are all aggressive pushy rednecks lol

prehistoric men were Gamma lol

this explains how Darwin (ILI) was Gamma - he believed that men used to be monkeys because he's himself a monkey lol

(this is a joke - don't take this too seriously)

I'm going to burn down your house (if you have one) and steal all your bibles. I will then turn them into toilet paper.

(This is a joke - don't take this too seriously)

Haha, big difference between KSpin's joke and machintruc's joke is that KSpin's is actually funny.

What do you have against my jokes ? they are very funny you know ?

Maybe the humour is lost in translation.

[machintruc]

least intellectual are Gamma - they are all aggressive pushy rednecks lol

prehistoric men were Gamma lol

this explains how Darwin (ILI) was Gamma - he believed that men used to be monkeys because he's himself a monkey lol

(this is a joke - don't take this too seriously)

I'm going to burn down your house (if you have one) and steal all your bibles. I will then turn them into toilet paper.

(This is a joke - don't take this too seriously)

Haha, big difference between KSpin's joke and machintruc's joke is that KSpin's is actually funny.

What do you have against my jokes ? they are very funny you know ?

Maybe the humour is lost in translation.

You're really a Gamma lol

[olduser]

yes, he does only have a prehistoric understanding of your jokes that gamlet.

[Exodus]

yes, he does only have a prehistoric understanding of your jokes that gamlet.

"gamlet" is Russian for ENFj.

[olduser]

i think that sums it up

[Logos]

On what basis?

[aestrivex]

On what basis?

[Dioklecian]

I think that Deltas and Betas don't bother too much with intellectual things, they want a royal road to erudition.

[mikemex]

BULLTSHIT. You're just pulling out your prejudice about people.

[UDP]

I think that Deltas and Betas don't bother too much with intellectual things, they want a royal road to erudition.

If there was ever anything Dio supported with excessive evidence, unfortunately, this statement would be it.

[aestrivex]

I think that Deltas and Betas don't bother too much with intellectual things, they want a royal road to erudition.

If there was ever anything Dio supported with excessive evidence, unfortunately, this statement would be it.

huh? there's no evidence here at all.

[misutii]

I think that Deltas and Betas don't bother too much with intellectual things, they want a royal road to erudition.

If there was ever anything Dio supported with excessive evidence, unfortunately, this statement would be it.

huh? there's no evidence here at all.

i think it was just an obvious Fe-PoLR attention-whoring statement, lol, not to be taken seriously

[aestrivex]

I think that Deltas and Betas don't bother too much with intellectual things, they want a royal road to erudition.

If there was ever anything Dio supported with excessive evidence, unfortunately, this statement would be it.

huh? there's no evidence here at all.

i think it was just an obvious Fe-PoLR attention-whoring statement, lol, not to be taken seriously

you mean Fe dual seeking. if you still think dio is ILI, grow a brain.


Fe polr is hardly crying out for attention. there may be certain neurotic individuals that have attention seeking disorders with Fe polr, but most Fe polr types will probably tell you they hate undue attention.

[FDG]

Logos wrote:

On what basis?

Trying to explain would be too much. If you have a more specific question, then I will try to accommodate you.


Logos wrote:

In which case, how did you decide the order of types from intellectual to non-intellectual, academic to practical, scientific to aesthetic, and then decide upon which types would have a low tolerance for intellectual inquiry?

"Scientific"
Groups 1 & 2 primary component is external (a situation or an activity)
Groups 1 & 3 secondary component is external (a situation or an activity)
Groups 3 & 4 primary component is internal (a fixed attitude or a manner of thinking)
Groups 2 & 4 secondary component is internal (a fixed attitude or a manner of thinking)

"Intellectual"
Groups 1 & 2 primary component is an active state (an activity or a manner of thinking)
Groups 1 & 3 secondary component is an active state (an activity or a manner of thinking)
Groups 3 & 4 primary component is an inactive state (a situation or a fixed attitude)
Groups 2 & 4 secondary component is an inactive state (a situation or a fixed attitude)

"Academic"
Originally I had "intuitive" types associated with "academic" and "sensory" types associated with "practical". But SiTe, TiSe, and NeFi failed to show any significant preference. Bumping FeNi and TiSe up was a mistake.

"Intellectual Inquiry"
This was the result of a "logical" error. I assumed two characteristics should be related and biased my evaluation accordingly.

but there's no basis in reality, in facts, whatsoever. I mean you can't proceed to build everything from theory

Anyway taking as sample my classes that are the most teorethical of the economics course, the types are (usually there are the same people in the same courses, more or less)

1 INTj - male
3 ENTjs - 2 males 1 female
4 ISTjs - 2 males 2 females
3 ISFjs - 2 females 1 male
2 ENFjs - 1 male 1 female
2 ESTps - 1 male 1 female
2 INFps - 1 male 1 female
2 ENTps - 2 males
1 ISTp - 1 male
1 ESFj - 1 female

Given how:

- economics courses are generally the cross-point between things that are traditionally more male-centered and T-centered (like engineering) and female-centered (like languages)
- given that the sample is then not particurlarly skewed, i concluded that we can assess whether specific types, indipendently from their gender or age (since the age level is approximately the same), prefer the most theorethical part of a subject which is considered not overly practical and not overtly theorethical, thus again giving an unbiased sample

Given the two points above I conclude that the strongest correlation is that ENxj-ISxj dual pairs seem to have a particularly strong affinity for this particular realm given how they are the 60 percent of the sample

as to why, dunno

[aestrivex]

economics is a really bad example because the applications are tremendously broad, so it's more likely to attract Te types than some highly theoretical scientific disciplines.

using the (maybe somewhat questionable) definition at the beginning of this thread as intellectual being defined as interest in a subject for its own sake, then clearly Te valuing types study a subject not necessarily for the furtherment of their knowledge, but for the practical application, no matter how theoretically they might undergo something like that.

[FDG]

economics is a really bad example because the applications are tremendously broad, so it's more likely to attract Te types than some highly theoretical scientific disciplines.

using the (maybe somewhat questionable) definition at the beginning of this thread as intellectual being defined as interest in a subject for its own sake, then clearly Te valuing types study a subject not necessarily for the furtherment of their knowledge, but for the practical application, no matter how theoretically they might undergo something like that.

Ah, but intellect is meant as studying for no purpose at all? I don't find this comprehensible

[XoX]

I think that Deltas and Betas don't bother too much with intellectual things, they want a royal road to erudition.

If there was ever anything Dio supported with excessive evidence, unfortunately, this statement would be it.

huh? there's no evidence here at all.

That's a bit cryptic but if you take into account that UDP believes Dio is ENFp the point seems to be that Dio exemplifies his own statement and the evidence is everything he has written so far in this forum. The real point however is that UDP wants to show his disapproval which is his favorite hobby

[aestrivex]

economics is a really bad example because the applications are tremendously broad, so it's more likely to attract Te types than some highly theoretical scientific disciplines.

using the (maybe somewhat questionable) definition at the beginning of this thread as intellectual being defined as interest in a subject for its own sake, then clearly Te valuing types study a subject not necessarily for the furtherment of their knowledge, but for the practical application, no matter how theoretically they might undergo something like that.

Ah, but intellect is meant as studying for no purpose at all? I don't find this comprehensible

just going by the first post of the thread.

[aestrivex]

I think that Deltas and Betas don't bother too much with intellectual things, they want a royal road to erudition.

If there was ever anything Dio supported with excessive evidence, unfortunately, this statement would be it.

huh? there's no evidence here at all.

That's a bit cryptic but if you take into account that UDP believes Dio is ENFp the point seems to be that Dio exemplifies his own statement and the evidence is everything he has written so far in this forum. The real point however is that UDP wants to show his disapproval which is his favorite hobby

huh?

[UDP]

I thought that was Niffweed's favorite hobby. Not that I never show disapproval of course.