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    Quote Originally Posted by Scientia View Post
    I wonder if Fe-polr is being mistaken for Fi-polr? Something else? While socially inappropriate comments may be indicative of Fe-polr, I wouldn't think that being a dick necessarily constitutes what Fe-polr is about. It may be more about 1) the general inability to create warm, loving, friendly, environments to attract singing rainbow unicorns and smiling dancing cupcakes 2) the social awkwardness at how to respond to positive emotions 3) the lack of emotional range of expressiveness that most people take for granted, leading to further social awkwardness and misunderstanding 4) monotone voice, just to name a few.
    Plus Fe-polr explains the absolute extroverted delight or anger outbursts we have on occasion.
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    Fe polr has nothing to do with being rude. xLI types are some of the most polite people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tearsofaclown View Post
    Fe polr has nothing to do with being rude. xLI types are some of the most polite people.
    Maybe you're thinking of metalheads? \m/ \m/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scientia View Post
    I wonder if Fe-polr is being mistaken for Fi-polr? Something else? While socially inappropriate comments may be indicative of Fe-polr, I wouldn't think that being a dick necessarily constitutes what Fe-polr is about. It may be more about 1) the general inability to create warm, loving, friendly, environments to attract singing rainbow unicorns and smiling dancing cupcakes 2) the social awkwardness at how to respond to positive emotions 3) the lack of emotional range of expressiveness that most people take for granted, leading to further social awkwardness and misunderstanding 4) monotone voice, just to name a few.
    Yes, exactly. And not being enthused, or even feigning enthusiasm for lame, inauthentic group activities. I think Fe HA is the worst type of Fe. So clumsy. Want to be liked so bad. Sickening.

    Shit like this from another site. A male playing fucking hostess. Like a Tupperware party. Let's have an internet "ball". What? lol. And mentions like 50 posters to come in the thread. That is trying hard to be liked. Check out this garbage, Fe in its worst form. It's just fuckin dorky. There is no other word for it.

    http://personalitycafe.com/infp-foru...ion-infps.html


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    Tupac could be EIE and is much harsher than that old Brit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazymaisy View Post
    Plus Fe-polr explains the absolute extroverted delight or anger outbursts we have on occasion.
    The delight is very adorable. The anger ---> yes, also very good - make yourselves heard.
    "The ENFp outlaw lives in the world of "chaos" meaning that he doesn't get surprised by the mayhem he causes or has to deal with in order to accomplish the goal of staying alive. Unlike the strong Si types who notice every tiny detail of pre-conceived madness, he will quite happily do whatever his experimental intuition dictates to survive even if he has to use himself as a "guinea pig" in the process. [...] Strong Ne types like the ENFp outlaw tend to make serendipitous discoveries like finding a creative way of defying death where others would have died if they stuck to "the rules". The long range vision of Ne with a drug-induced short-range Si tactical foreplay reveals the true nature of one's methodical madness i.e. using chaos to stabilize the chaos." x



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    My ILI friend has a pretty offensive sense of humour tbh. He actually made a joke about comparing a teacher of ours and Hitler and said that Hitler at least knew when to quit. (It was one of the said teacher going in turbo mode while 'teaching' case, and his humour sense is made of pretty much things like this.) He was pretty fascinated with this joke for a while actually. He also likes Filthy Frank and memes in general.

    There is a nihilistic absurdism vibe to him, most likely 5w4 Ni subtype. It is also pretty fun to watch how he doesn't even realize just how much the EII in the group gets annoyed by him constantly picking on her, (he is actually trying to pick lightheartedly in a joking way) which really is a bad decision as she is also a 4w5 and seems to reinforce her sense of "I am always the one others in the group pick to mock" though I think someone actually told him since he doesn't act as 'annoying' towards her anymore.









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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayuhime View Post
    My ILI friend has a pretty offensive sense of humour tbh. He actually made a joke about comparing a teacher of ours and Hitler and said that Hitler at least knew when to quit. (It was one of the said teacher going in turbo mode while 'teaching' case, and his humour sense is made of pretty much things like this.) He was pretty fascinated with this joke for a while actually. He also likes Filthy Frank and memes in general.

    There is a nihilistic absurdism vibe to him, most likely 5w4 Ni subtype. It is also pretty fun to watch how he doesn't even realize just how much the EII in the group gets annoyed by him constantly picking on her, (he is actually trying to pick lightheartedly in a joking way) which really is a bad decision as she is also a 4w5 and seems to reinforce her sense of "I am always the one others in the group pick to mock" though I think someone actually told him since he doesn't act as 'annoying' towards her anymore.

    Delta NF, or maybe Delta in general, cannot take jokes. I am always "poking at people". Testing their boundaries. But I am used to social environments where everybody picks on each other. It's spread around to everyone. May be a Beta or Merry thing but I can't be friends with somebody who I can't pick on basically. And my ribbing is usually light hearted too like you mentioned about the ILI. And the EII can't even take that. I often end up offending Delta types. Delta NF women particularly. lol. I like to bust their balls. The fact that it irritates them just makes me want to do it more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scientia View Post
    I wonder if Fe-polr is being mistaken for Fi-polr? Something else? While socially inappropriate comments may be indicative of Fe-polr, I wouldn't think that being a dick necessarily constitutes what Fe-polr is about. It may be more about 1) the general inability to create warm, loving, friendly, environments to attract singing rainbow unicorns and smiling dancing cupcakes 2) the social awkwardness at how to respond to positive emotions 3) the lack of emotional range of expressiveness that most people take for granted, leading to further social awkwardness and misunderstanding 4) monotone voice, just to name a few.
    Being a dick doesn't constitute what any function is about. To the degree we can speculate it does, Fe PoLR isnt much different from Fi PoLR when I think about being a dick, rude, etc. I've seen some awful cases of emotional abuse from XLI's, due to their PoLR. Stratiesvayka notices this too in her type descriptions for XLI's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tearsofaclown View Post
    Delta NF, or maybe Delta in general, cannot take jokes. I am always "poking at people". Testing their boundaries. But I am used to social environments where everybody picks on each other. It's spread around to everyone. May be a Beta or Merry thing but I can't be friends with somebody who I can't pick on basically. And my ribbing is usually light hearted too like you mentioned about the ILI. And the EII can't even take that. I often end up offending Delta types. Delta NF women particularly. lol. I like to bust their balls. The fact that it irritates them just makes me want to do it more.
    It seems like the usual way Beta quadra interact with each other and others, honestly. Living with an LSI mother, I am pretty used to her baiting people verbally to see if they would actually get her underneath sarcasm or any more lighthearted attempts. This also applies to another LSI classmate, and when I think about it it also applies to my IEI friend as well? I sometimes take her jokes too seriously- Not really offended but my might go the way of taking everything word-for-word especially when written. It leads to some pretty funny misunderstandings, but yeah.

    Funny thing is, my mother's current closest friend is a male LSE and he gets really pissed at her and often times misses her sarcasm/actually calling him stupid in a slightly covert way all the time, so I suppose Delta vs Beta humour/communication style holds up in that example as well.

    Addition: LSI friend was pretty shocked to realize now she was surrounded by people who picked her sarcasm while she wasn't even consciously meaning to be sarcastic as well- it is like their natural language they born with. Pretty amusing tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayuhime View Post
    It seems like the usual way Beta quadra interact with each other and others, honestly. Living with an LSI mother, I am pretty used to her baiting people verbally to see if they would actually get her underneath sarcasm or any more lighthearted attempts. This also applies to another LSI classmate, and when I think about it it also applies to my IEI friend as well? I sometimes take her jokes too seriously- Not really offended but my might go the way of taking everything word-for-word especially when written. It leads to some pretty funny misunderstandings, but yeah.

    Funny thing is, my mother's current closest friend is a male LSE and he gets really pissed at her and often times misses her sarcasm/actually calling him stupid in a slightly covert way all the time, so I suppose Delta vs Beta humour/communication style holds up in that example as well.

    Addition: LSI friend was pretty shocked to realize now she was surrounded by people who picked her sarcasm while she wasn't even consciously meaning to be sarcastic as well- it is like their natural language they born with. Pretty amusing tbh.

    But pretty off topic as well

    Funny today I get a message from a Delta NF today crying her eyes out. Saying she will go to the "authorities" if I keep it up. Told her to eat shit. Don't lecture me, bitch. Fuckin hilarious. Sending me that fuckin message. It was like a page long. Like she thought those kinds of threats mean anything to me. Embarrassing. I love these types that act tough then fold immediately. Delta NF are soft as baby shit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by niffer View Post
    The bolded actually makes no sense because alpha has the complex of closed mouth supposedly (a la Strati). It's normally alphas who are champions of freedom of expression of ideas.
    Not when it comes to saying things that could be precieved as mean. "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all." ---->alpha Fe+

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    To me, Fe PoLR is not a mean/impolite remark. That is Fi PoLR. "Meanness" would be disrespecting a bond between two people, or interpersonal values. Twisting that around, Fe vulnerable simply is against emotional expression for it's own sake, overriding what is genuinely felt. That can come across as mean in a way that you don't get a reaction that's commonly expected, or sugarcoating. But it is more behavior that really doesn't fit the social situation script rather than a blatant offense which aims at lifting the mood in vain, the Fe HA of SLE and ILE.

    What I have heard both an ILI and an SLI say to me on here was that they "have something against [insert public venue like a stadium, parade, or festival]".

    There was great expressed dislike and helplessness. The background information both gave is that they don't bother tuning into the atmosphere for reasons of conviction and also: pointlessness. That indicates Te creative is working. So when you see them at the venue all going against the stream or just making remarks of rejection that don't care about behavior standards, yeah - this is Fe PoLR in action. The person to sit grumpily at a party in the corner, wanting to go home to get something done, internally screaming how they don't like everyone. And you can see that expressed outside which clashes with other people's mood - that is some xLI being themselves there.
    They either have to be lured out by benevolent force (SeFi) or benevolent interest (NeFi), that would be the IE counterpart to their behaviour as contrast.

    TL;DR: Fe PoLR is inappropriateness in expression in antagonism to what others typically do. You can see that everywhere on the forum, our ILIs and SLIs march to a different drummer (and I support youuuuu!! ) .
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    Well, they do not like hurt individual for the expense of others whereas I... do it like normal practice without noticing it but ESEs do it as well (with much better care). Fe PoLR: I'm going to take a dump on masses while I protect my dearest.
    Sometimes it gives the impression that he is trying to smell something out. During conversation, the ILE likes to twirl something in his hands, for example, a pen or pencil, and often breaks it. When he is walking or enthusiastically talking about something, he gesticulates and waves his hands around as if a windmill. ILE's eyes often seem blurry, as if they are looking through a mist or haze, poorly recognizing what's happening around. This look seems cold, lacking in emotion or passion. Regarding clothing should be said that due to particularities of ILE's figure, clothes on this person almost always doesn't sit well: it sags, slips, loses buttons, etc.

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    The person to sit grumpily at a party in the corner, wanting to go home to get something done, internally screaming how they don't like everyone.
    Umm... sitting grumpily in the corner. I'm no grump but if you need to lick people's behinds (bonding like delta NF or bondage like gamma SF) I'm not going to be social at all. Common theme among F PoLR is that they do not fit in without assistance where ethical pressure is diverse.
    Sometimes it gives the impression that he is trying to smell something out. During conversation, the ILE likes to twirl something in his hands, for example, a pen or pencil, and often breaks it. When he is walking or enthusiastically talking about something, he gesticulates and waves his hands around as if a windmill. ILE's eyes often seem blurry, as if they are looking through a mist or haze, poorly recognizing what's happening around. This look seems cold, lacking in emotion or passion. Regarding clothing should be said that due to particularities of ILE's figure, clothes on this person almost always doesn't sit well: it sags, slips, loses buttons, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsuccessfull Alphamale View Post
    I'm not going to be social at all. Common theme among F PoLR is that they do not fit in without assistance where ethical pressure is diverse.
    This is so true. Especially of ESEs for everybody else. I cant count the number of times I wanted a close ESEs head to explode as he tries to lay on the ethical pressure in public - even when its not needed nor appreciated.

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    In a whatsapp group convo from work one of my colleagues declared that her new bike got stolen last night. So everyone naturally responded with 'oh my, so awful!', 'can't believe people that do this' etc. which triggered me, because in our city it's pretty common knowledge to not ever ever ride new biycles, as they get stolen very quickly.
    So the next day I said, 'anyone wanna buy a new bike? 50 bucks (Implying I stole it). They didn't appreciate that

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    If Fe polr has a problem it's in knowing what they said or are going to say is inappropriate.
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

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    yeah I almost feel like thats Fe creative (or Fe demonstrative), or it could be Fe mobilizing too depending on the tone. I feel like Fe mobilizing would be more outright mockery, whereas Fe creative would be more "instructive." Fe demonstrative would be like if you somehow wanted to alienate those people for Fi reasons. Fe mobilizing would just be the overconfident teenager putting a spin on a Ti principle not realizing it might alienate those people or be taken a certain way (Fe polr is knowing exactly how it would be taken but not knowing what you're putting out--i.e.: Fi polr more or less knows whats its putting out but doesn't realize its hitting on something people value and thus damages relations. Fe polr knows that such a thing damages relations but doesn't realize it actually just happened until its too late, because they didnt think they were putting out the signal they thought they were).

    I feel like its Fe creative cause its like you noticed the response to the "stupidity" as being not-really appropriate and decided to sort of retaliate with your own not-really appropriate response on the basis of your own understanding. in other words this seems to be a Fe/Ti "lesson" to recalibrate the initial mistake and reaction. or to put it another way, its two different pictures of a Ti/Fe relationship; the first one is not enough Ti thus the sympathy is somewhat counter productive inasmuch as it detracts from the learning experience in making the person out to be a pure victim rather than contributorily negligent. the second picture (your response) is a somewhat intentionally negative Fe pulse put out intentionally to "balance" the overly sympathetic response in order to, presumably, highlight the illegitimacy of said response and point to the legitimacy of "mockery" on the basis of the Ti principle that really needs to be emphasized so that things like this happen less in the future (Ni). the triggering aspect is the disjunction between the two conflicting Ni pictures of reality

    Te would be like if you actually stole it and made 50 bux
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    To me, Fe PoLR is not a mean/impolite remark. That is Fi PoLR
    Exactly what I would have thought...


    My rough guess of the PoLR's would be...


    PoLR = dislike having to consider the...


    FI - Feelings ... e.g... 'rude'
    FE - expression... e.g... 'monotone voice'
    TE - work?... e.g... 'lazy' ...... or Facts...e.g.... 'making it up'
    TI - rules... e.g... "I did it my way"
    NI - outcome... e.g... 'reckless'
    NE - Alternatives... e.g... "ignorant"
    SI - Asthetics?... e.g... "scruffy"
    SE - force... e.g... "timid"

    Not sure about TE or SI though, or SE really...
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    Quote Originally Posted by neproblems View Post
    Exactly what I would have thought...


    My rough guess of the PoLR's would be...


    PoLR = dislike having to consider the...


    FI - Feelings ... e.g... 'rude'
    FE - expression... e.g... 'monotone voice'
    TE - work?... e.g... 'lazy' ...... or Facts...e.g.... 'making it up'
    TI - rules... e.g... "I did it my way"
    NI - outcome... e.g... 'reckless'
    NE - Alternatives... e.g... "ignorant"
    SI - Asthetics?... e.g... "scruffy"
    SE - force... e.g... "timid"

    Not sure about TE or SI though, or SE really...
    tldr this is it.

    i want to point out though that the Ignoring function can have a similarish attitude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bertrand View Post
    Fi polr more or less knows whats its putting out but doesn't realize its hitting on something people value and thus damages relations.
    If Fi polr knows what it's putting out then how can it not realize that it damages relations?

    Fe polr knows that such a thing damages relations but doesn't realize it actually just happened until its too late, because they didnt think they were putting out the signal they thought they were
    If Fe knows when a remark damages relations how does it not realize when it damages relations?

    Te would be like if you actually stole it and made 50 bux
    Lol

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    its the difference between knowing the taste of your audience and not knowing what you're delivering (Fe polr), vs knowing what you're delivering vs not knowing how it will be recieved (Fi polr). Fi polr knows the tone they're taking but tends to mistake the effect it will have because they misunderstand the values of the listener; whereas Fe polr tends to understand the position of the listener but misunderstands their own delivery

    they both can inadvertently be offensive, but Fi polr tends to make jokes that offend people because they assume no one would find them offensive, whereas Fe polr understands what makes a thing offensive they just have little to no control or awareness over the mode of expression used to deliver the thing, which in turn can create offense or misunderstanding. in other words, Fi polr meant to say the thing in the way they said it, they just didn't realize it was offensive. Fe knows what makes a thing offensive but didnt realize the way they were saying what they were saying could also be offensive or misunderstood. Fi polr struggles with values, Fe struggles with expression

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    About the polite/impoliteness matter mentioned above, there are plenty of texts that explain that. Specially the ones who dissect functions on the descriptions (Stratiyevskaya, Filatova, Reinin). Impoliteness could appear in 1DFe but also we shouldn't confuse Se aggression (like physical or verbal violence) or constant open emotional expression of negative emotions (Fe) with 1DFe impoliteness. 1DFe can be impolite or rough in expression sometimes, but rarely (or just on specific occasions would go to the extent of violence or something extreme). Also, 1DFe has "dry" emotional expression and is unaware or uncaring of social conventions or cues, specially on emotional matters. F.e. if someone is happy because have a good new, you won't see an SLI or ILI being emotive in this matter, they will just say probably: oh that's cool. But their emotional reaction would be null (doesn't mean that they are no happy for your success). This can be interpreted in general as rude, mean or insensitive. There are tons and tons of micro social conventions on interpersonal relations that can be ignored with 1DFe.

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    There is something terribly irritating with a person that wants something from you and resorts to smiles, soft expressions, and verbal manipulation to try and get you do agree to it. It can be cute in small doses if it's for nothing major and done by a s. o. or someone similarly close. Otherwise, no thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    In a whatsapp group convo from work one of my colleagues declared that her new bike got stolen last night. So everyone naturally responded with 'oh my, so awful!', 'can't believe people that do this' etc. which triggered me, because in our city it's pretty common knowledge to not ever ever ride new biycles, as they get stolen very quickly.
    So the next day I said, 'anyone wanna buy a new bike? 50 bucks (Implying I stole it). They didn't appreciate that
    lmao. when a girl posted a status about someone stealing a bunch of stuff from the girls locker room, I responded, "sorry" and they lost it.

    that's hilarious, but I wouldn't say it's indicative of Fe PoLR per se, although it may be more characteristic of logical types than ethical types?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazymaisy View Post
    Sorry is meaningless and full of meaning therefore. It can be enraging to be told "sorry"...
    I at least need evidence that they are sorry. Words backed without action or change of behavior is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyGuy View Post
    I at least need evidence that they are sorry. Words backed without action or change of behavior is meaningless.
    Yes, the whole point to my post. "Sorry" is a euphemism for "I'm not one bit sorry really, only sort of might be, or might not be..." used flippantly most of the time, from what I know about IRL. What is needed is true empathetic words, or a true apology if that's what one is meaning, both should be backed with changes of behavior and/or action as needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    In a whatsapp group convo from work one of my colleagues declared that her new bike got stolen last night. So everyone naturally responded with 'oh my, so awful!', 'can't believe people that do this' etc. which triggered me, because in our city it's pretty common knowledge to not ever ever ride new biycles, as they get stolen very quickly.
    So the next day I said, 'anyone wanna buy a new bike? 50 bucks (Implying I stole it). They didn't appreciate that
    You could say that same line using Fe to lighten the mood. It's all in the delivery.

    My ILI ex used to say stuff like that and so much worse. He mostly did this in front of friends but sometimes he would offend my ESE sister because she did not find some things funny or thought he was insensitive to her. Teen girls... He kind of was insensitive to her sometimes because he thought she was clueless. I had to smooth things over between them many times. I hated taking sides. She didn't like dark or sarcastic humor so much either, in a general way, but that was the only humor he knew.

    Lately she will surprise us with something that we never expected her to say. We mostly assumed that a lot of it went over her head but seems she has caught on and is giving it back to us. She is all grown up now and can hold her own. We have pulled her to the dark side. I did feel bad about the jokes made at her expense when we were all younger.

    Anyway the rest of us thought he was funny even if he was somewhat dry. I thought it was so funny that I took on a bit of his humor style. So yeah, I could totally say something like that but in a way that they would have appreciated it.

    Edit: No one could mistake him for a Fe creative though. He was too dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyGuy View Post
    There is something terribly irritating with a person that wants something from you and resorts to smiles, soft expressions, and verbal manipulation to try and get you do agree to it. It can be cute in small doses if it's for nothing major and done by a s. o. or someone similarly close. Otherwise, no thank you.
    Yeah, that's why these things (spoilered) give me the creeps. Brace yourself!




    Heh, half kidding, some of them are ok. If blood related or close to my family. I might even play along even though I know what the are doing. Such evil beings to use these manipulative faces.

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    Concept of creepiness is in the eyes of beholder.
    ESEs are so freaking predictable funny creatures. Aren't they?
    Some EIE and IEI caricatures are downright creepy as you see what they are after.
    Sometimes it gives the impression that he is trying to smell something out. During conversation, the ILE likes to twirl something in his hands, for example, a pen or pencil, and often breaks it. When he is walking or enthusiastically talking about something, he gesticulates and waves his hands around as if a windmill. ILE's eyes often seem blurry, as if they are looking through a mist or haze, poorly recognizing what's happening around. This look seems cold, lacking in emotion or passion. Regarding clothing should be said that due to particularities of ILE's figure, clothes on this person almost always doesn't sit well: it sags, slips, loses buttons, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Yeah, that's why these things (spoilered) give me the creeps. Brace yourself!




    Heh, half kidding, some of them are ok. If blood related or close to my family. I might even play along even though I know what the are doing. Such evil beings to use these manipulative faces.
    evil little devils

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsuccessfull Alphamale View Post
    Concept of creepiness is in the eyes of beholder.
    ESEs are so freaking predictable funny creatures. Aren't they?
    Some EIE and IEI caricatures are downright creepy as you see what they are after.
    That little girl would probably manipulate me into taking her for ice cream... creepy little things. grrr
     

    My ESE sister is pretty predictable, except when she's not! Then we kind of all look at her like, "who are you?" Our friends are very different. I have hung out with her in her "natural" environment and she shined. It is kind of weird to see but cool. I felt proud of her. She can really take charge and lead the games or whatever festivities they do when they get together. People have fun in her presence. She is so kind and sweet too. She never really got a chance to lead anything in our family or when socializing with our friends. She found her own tribe.

    I was kind of worried about her when she was 15/16 wondering how she was going to get by in life with her low grades, general cluelessness and desire to put her social life above all.

    She has proven herself to be very hardworking and enterprising. Bought her first car with her own money even though I wanted to give her my old one. My ILI ex didn't let me. He gave her, her first job in his family's business. He was hard on her and didn't give her a pass like the rest of us did. He helped her with homework and she somehow graduated college with his help. She is not dumb. She graduated without debt because she found ways to pay for it herself. Her biggest problem was that she socialized way too much and didn't know what she wanted to do in life.

    She went to bartenders school. My EII sister and I freaked out when she told us that was her plan. She always has a "plan". Once it was a 5 year plan to be married with children by now but all that changed. Now she understands that you can't plan for everything. Sometimes you have to just go where life takes you.

    We had no idea if she could make it working in that environment but she did and now she has a side business flipping houses and other properties. That was kind of a shock. She also bought her first home when she was still pretty young which she sold when she got into a new relationship. I think that gave her the idea that she could flip houses. Out of all my siblings she is the one who has asked family to help out the least, followed by my EII sister, me and my IEI brother (he asks the most).

    She has natural charm and people love her. Even the ILI loved her aside from fact the bubbliness made him want to gag. lol He wanted her to be self sufficient and now she is. She attributes her ability to do anything she puts her mind to, to him. My ILI stepdad did that for me. He was only a few years older than her but he taught her a lot. I was actually way easier on her in comparison and thought sometimes he went too far but I was wrong. He did all the right things it turns out. Being an older sister and supervisor to one of those cute creatures is enough to keep anyone up at night when they are in your care. I am just happy she turned out fine, more than fine.

    p.s. ESE hate on this forum is kind of irritating. Only I am allowed to get irritated by my sister.

    Edit: I want to add it is not that I asked for help more than my other sisters. It is that my family disliked more of my choices than their's so it was forced on me. My brother does ask though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    That little girl would probably manipulate me into taking her for ice cream... creepy little things. grrr
     

    My ESE sister is pretty predictable, except when she's not! Then we kind of all look at her like, "who are you?" Our friends are very different. I have hung out with her in her "natural" environment and she shined. It is kind of weird to see but cool. I felt proud of her. She can really take charge and lead the games or whatever festivities they do when they get together. People have fun in her presence. She is so kind and sweet too. She never really got a chance to lead anything in our family or when socializing with our friends. She found her own tribe.

    I was kind of worried about her when she was 15/16 wondering how she was going to get by in life with her low grades, general cluelessness and desire to put her social life above all.

    She has proven herself to be very hardworking and enterprising. Bought her first car with her own money even though I wanted to give her my old one. My ILI ex didn't let me. He gave her, her first job in his family's business. He was hard on her and didn't give her a pass like the rest of us did. He helped her with homework and she somehow graduated college with his help. She is not dumb. She graduated without debt because she found ways to pay for it herself. Her biggest problem was that she socialized way too much and didn't know what she wanted to do in life.

    She went to bartenders school. My EII sister and I freaked out when she told us that was her plan. She always has a "plan". Once it was a 5 year plan to be married with children by now but all that changed. Now she understands that you can't plan for everything. Sometimes you have to just go where life takes you.

    We had no idea if she could make it working in that environment but she did and now she has a side business flipping houses and other properties. That was kind of a shock. She also bought her first home when she was still pretty young which she sold when she got into a new relationship. I think that gave her the idea that she could flip houses. Out of all my siblings she is the one who has asked family to help out the least, followed by my EII sister, me and my IEI brother (he asks the most).

    She has natural charm and people love her. Even the ILI loved her aside from fact the bubbliness made him want to gag. lol He wanted her to be self sufficient and now she is. She attributes her ability to do anything she puts her mind to, to him. My ILI stepdad did that for me. He was only a few years older than her but he taught her a lot. I was actually way easier on her in comparison and thought sometimes he went too far but I was wrong. He did all the right things it turns out. Being an older sister and supervisor to one of those cute creatures is enough to keep anyone up at night when they are in your care. I am just happy she turned out fine, more than fine.

    p.s. ESE hate on this forum is kind of irritating. Only I am allowed to get irritated by my sister.

    Edit: I want to add it is not that I asked for help more than my other sisters. It is that my family disliked more of my choices than their's so it was forced on me. My brother does ask though.
    This kind of manipulation doesn't work with me
    All you have to say is: 'this stuff doesnt work with me, charlotte!'

    You'd be surprised how quickly they drop the act haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    This kind of manipulation doesn't work with me
    Spoken like a true Fe hater!



    Edit: ask @WhyGuy what happens when one of those little things belongs to you.

    Edit2: Don't ask @Bertrand though!

    Edit3: See what I did there? I covered your weak Fe. It will remain between us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    That little girl would probably manipulate me into taking her for ice cream... creepy little things. grrr
    bit off topic.. kind of

    But yes. I know that my IEI sister has similar issues with ESE. She made a really stupid move at work. ESEs are master's of immediate social environment.
    Sometimes it gives the impression that he is trying to smell something out. During conversation, the ILE likes to twirl something in his hands, for example, a pen or pencil, and often breaks it. When he is walking or enthusiastically talking about something, he gesticulates and waves his hands around as if a windmill. ILE's eyes often seem blurry, as if they are looking through a mist or haze, poorly recognizing what's happening around. This look seems cold, lacking in emotion or passion. Regarding clothing should be said that due to particularities of ILE's figure, clothes on this person almost always doesn't sit well: it sags, slips, loses buttons, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Edit3: See what I did there? I covered your weak Fe. It will remain between us.
    What type are you then? IEI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neproblems View Post
    Exactly what I would have thought...


    My rough guess of the PoLR's would be...


    PoLR = dislike having to consider the...


    FI - Feelings ... e.g... 'rude'
    FE - expression... e.g... 'monotone voice'
    TE - work?... e.g... 'lazy' ...... or Facts...e.g.... 'making it up'
    TI - rules... e.g... "I did it my way"
    NI - outcome... e.g... 'reckless'
    NE - Alternatives... e.g... "ignorant"
    SI - Asthetics?... e.g... "scruffy"
    SE - force... e.g... "timid"

    Not sure about TE or SI though, or SE really...
    You're pretty much right about the thought process of those who have those functions as a PoLR. I can speak from experience in that people never really disagreed with me in the points I was making (especially if they let me clarify my thinking) but it was obvious they just couldn't stomach "how" I made them (i.e. my PoLR was showing). Likewise my SEE brother never seems to get how logical/incentive structures work concretely outside his specialty in music theory and to the extent he does it's clearly because he's basically subconsciously using me as a cipher on how it's done (i.e. asking himself "what would End do here" if he's pushed into a corner). He got em' almost instinctively given his program but he always came to me asking why he was so adept in one form or another. He always seemed to get what he wanted, but his lack of always left him drawing a blank in regards to explaining to himself the why. Like anyone with a PoLR they're painfully aware of, they gotta ask someone they think has the answer. We were lucky in that we had each other .

    You score another point in how my LSE mom is very obviously concerned about aesthetics (and how having it as a PoLR would mean you'd give next to zero fucks about it). I mean she obsesses over it constantly. It annoys me to a point but I sorta understand. She just really, really wants to live in a "nice" place and to her that means certain things...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post



    Edit: ask @WhyGuy what happens when one of those little things belongs to you.

    There are exceptions to being Fe polr and I have learned a lot over the years. My youngest is Fe ego and I find her adorable, except when she becomes overly whiny to get what she wants. It is extremely annoying when my kids meltdown or throw a massive temper tantrum. Sometimes I have to just laugh because it is so ridiculous and over the top. Otherwise, their Fe is rather endearing. My youngest melts many hearts with her large, expressive eyes and facial expressions.

    At first, as a new parent, it was very difficult, but I know they love me and I them. I often have trouble giving them the openly emotional responses they crave and desire. I do my best, but I think that is where Fi useful.

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    I agree with Fe poor being superbly monotonal in nature. I cannot speak or sing with much expressiveness. It requires and consumes way too much energy. Resources are too valuable to waste.

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