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    Default how do the shadow functions work?

    And how does one use them (if one uses them at all)? What prompts one to use them?
    And why isn't one's 8th function considered one's POLR instead of one's 4th function?
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    Default Re: how do the shadow functions work?

    Quote Originally Posted by uninspired
    And how does one use them (if one uses them at all)? What prompts one to use them?
    And why isn't one's 8th function considered one's POLR instead of one's 4th function?
    Thanks .
    Because Function 4 is weak, Function 8 is strong.

    Function 8 is used confidently but with a very low differentiation.

    Function 4 is used unconfidently, but with more differentiation than Function 8.

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    In Jungian psychology, the shadow or "shadow aspect" is a part of the unconscious mind which is mysterious and often disagreeable to the conscious mind, but which is also relatively close to the conscious mind. It may be (in part) one's link to animal life, which is superseded during early childhood by the conscious mind; afterwards it comes to contain thoughts that are repressed by the conscious mind. According to Jung, the shadow is instinctive and irrational, but is not necessarily evil even when it might appear to be so. It can be both ruthless in conflict and empathetic in friendship. It is important as a source of hunches, for understanding of one's own more inexplicable actions and attitudes (and of others' reactions), and for learning how to accept and integrate the more problematic or troubling aspects of one's personality.
    Your Shadow functions aren't your PoLR resistance because they are unconscious and weak; but interestingly, your Shadow functions become more apparent when they come into conflict with your conscious SuperEgo functions (3rd + 4th). You experience the shadow functions indirectly through the actions of other people that irritate you, or through dreams. When you become irritated with someone when they attack your ability in the SuperEgo functions, you are actually showing your own conflict with you Id\Shadow functions that you'd hoped to repress (or something ).
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    Default Re: how do the shadow functions work?

    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    Because Function 4 is weak, Function 8 is strong.
    Function 8 is used confidently but with a very low differentiation.
    Function 4 is used unconfidently, but with more differentiation than Function 8.
    machintruc, can you please explain what is meant by "differentiation".
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    When you become irritated with someone when they attack your ability in the SuperEgo functions, you are actually showing your own conflict with you Id\Shadow functions that you'd hoped to repress (or something).
    How? And which of the shadow functions would one supposedly want to repress the most?
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    There's all this stuff on wikipedia about dream interpretation and so on, but while you are awake, it's like something gnawing at the back of your mind that you can't quite shift . (It doesn't all make sense to me).


    (about Freud):
    According to his theory, the most basic desires come from the "id", the childlike portion of the unconscious, and as such often contained material that would be unacceptable to the super-ego. As the text was written relatively early in his career, he does not use the terms "ego" and "id", but rather "preconscious" and "unconscious", respectively. These terms themselves are not introduced until the seventh chapter of the book, until which his system of dream interpretation is incrementally constructed and argued.
    (Jung and the Shadow (i.e. the Id).
    The shadow may appear in dreams and visions in various forms, often as a feared or despised person or being, and may act either as an adversary or as a servant. It typically has the same apparent gender as one's persona. It is possible that it might appear with dark features to a person of any race, since it represents an old ancestral aspect of the mind. The shadow's appearance and role depend greatly on the living experience of the individual, because the shadow develops in the individual's mind rather than simply being inherited in the collective unconscious.
    According to Jung, the shadow sometimes overwhelms a person's actions, for example, when the conscious mind is shocked, confused, or paralyzed by indecision
    I think your fourth function wishes to repress the eight function the most (it wouldn't make sense if it was the seventh, because once you chosen your first function, that determines 3rd, 5th and 7th, while second determines 2nd, 4th, 6th and 8th, if you see what I mean).

    From what I understand, your Ego doesn't want to repress the Id (at least not directly - it's as though you aren't even normally aware of it) - it is the SuperEgo that does that. By conflict between the SuperEgo and the Id, you become aware of the conflict, and may wish to explore it (at least Jung would, because he believed repressed desires aren't good etc. etc.). I
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