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    [web:1526670201]http://www.lulu.com/content/788857[/web:1526670201]

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    When it's at Barnes & Noble -- or the local library -- then we'll have gotten somewhere.

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    it's already listed on amazon.com too, nice! it seems kinda short though, 88 pages, but I'd like to check it out
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    Great!!

    I'm certainly gonna buy it.

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    This is not classical socionics ; this is a version of socionics which is influenced by some enthusiasts like Ganin or such.

    Visual Identification is a bogus thing. VI doesn't work. True socionists don't use VI.

    Who's writing an english book on classical socionics ?

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    ummm, isnt this book by the same guy who's come into this forum a few times advertising his website and his books?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    ummm, isnt this book by the same guy who's come into this forum a few times advertising his website and his books?
    This possibility cannot be excluded and you should be wary if you read it. As an ethical type, it wouldn't be that difficult to see how western-influenced socionics is bogus and unrealistical, like Myers-Briggs.

    When reading on any non-classical socionics : be wary.

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    I was reading over Gulenko recently, where he made a really arrogant comment regarding "the impending fall of the West and the rise of the East".
    http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...gul_destiny%2f

    Impression is created, that the West will not become to trouble itself the perception of deep multilevel concepts. Possibly because for the integral approach the right cerebral hemisphere, which in the technogenic civilization is secretly considered less developed, as the more primitive than leftist, answers. However, it is difficult to deny the fact that both Young and Aushra itself were faster eastern type scientists — certain spiritual to kieselguhr, but not laboratory- computer specialists.

    This is not completely bad. It's no secret to anyone, that the West approaches its historical end. In the next decades a substantial change of the ethnic composition of Euro-Atlantic civilization in favor of alien to it peoples as a result of the low birth rate among the indigenous population and the mass migration from the poor countries expects us. Similar to Western Roman empire, its historical successor will undergo the invasion of contemporary "barbarians" and, shaken at her bases, will end further existence. World civilizational center inevitably is moved to the side of southeastern Asia. The sun arises in the east.
    If a Western author does not introduce socionics, it will not be introduced at all. Institutionalized Russian bigotry is probably socionics's greatest opponent at this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    I was reading over Gulenko recently, where he made a really arrogant comment regarding "the impending fall of the West and the rise of the East".
    http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...gul_destiny%2f

    Impression is created, that the West will not become to trouble itself the perception of deep multilevel concepts. Possibly because for the integral approach the right cerebral hemisphere, which in the technogenic civilization is secretly considered less developed, as the more primitive than leftist, answers. However, it is difficult to deny the fact that both Young and Aushra itself were faster eastern type scientists — certain spiritual to kieselguhr, but not laboratory- computer specialists.

    This is not completely bad. It's no secret to anyone, that the West approaches its historical end. In the next decades a substantial change of the ethnic composition of Euro-Atlantic civilization in favor of alien to it peoples as a result of the low birth rate among the indigenous population and the mass migration from the poor countries expects us. Similar to Western Roman empire, its historical successor will undergo the invasion of contemporary "barbarians" and, shaken at her bases, will end further existence. World civilizational center inevitably is moved to the side of southeastern Asia. The sun arises in the east.
    If a Western author does not introduce socionics, it will not be introduced at all. Institutionalized Russian bigotry is probably socionics's greatest opponent at this time.
    lol. you're such a braindead dork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    I was reading over Gulenko recently, where he made a really arrogant comment regarding "the impending fall of the West and the rise of the East".
    http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...gul_destiny%2f

    Impression is created, that the West will not become to trouble itself the perception of deep multilevel concepts. Possibly because for the integral approach the right cerebral hemisphere, which in the technogenic civilization is secretly considered less developed, as the more primitive than leftist, answers. However, it is difficult to deny the fact that both Young and Aushra itself were faster eastern type scientists — certain spiritual to kieselguhr, but not laboratory- computer specialists.

    This is not completely bad. It's no secret to anyone, that the West approaches its historical end. In the next decades a substantial change of the ethnic composition of Euro-Atlantic civilization in favor of alien to it peoples as a result of the low birth rate among the indigenous population and the mass migration from the poor countries expects us. Similar to Western Roman empire, its historical successor will undergo the invasion of contemporary "barbarians" and, shaken at her bases, will end further existence. World civilizational center inevitably is moved to the side of southeastern Asia. The sun arises in the east.
    If a Western author does not introduce socionics, it will not be introduced at all. Institutionalized Russian bigotry is probably socionics's greatest opponent at this time.
    He's not far off-base, if you ask me.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
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    America has already begun to fall and it is only a matter of time till the power shifts to the east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmcnew
    America has already begun to fall and it is only a matter of time till the power shifts to the east.
    I understand what you are saying, what with China rising and all, but will the concept of nation even exist at that point, save as a division of government?

    Perhaps it will, but... why would America lose? And will China remain intact, or will it splinter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmcnew
    America has already begun to fall and it is only a matter of time till the power shifts to the east.
    Did I mention I am minoring in Asian Studies?
    Pre-2013 post are written with incomplete understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    Who's writing an english book on classical socionics ?
    I have been, but I am taking my time (it will come out later this year). My book will cover all the bases and will be somewhat academic-like, but hopefully still easy to understand.

    Not to be critical or anything, because any new books are good news, but the book cover reminds me of this. Who are the authors (I have not heard of them)?

    This book offers a unique and authentic method of Visual Identification of types, including references to pictures of real people placed face to face by their Psychological Functions. The reader should be able to instantly identify Psychological types by their facial features. Distribution tables show the distribution of Psychological Functions, Scales and Types in the population, as well as the probability of finding the best match for each type.
    *sigh*
    This would all be soundly rejected in Russia/Ukraine. But here, I guess it's all new so no one can tell the difference.
    It is easier for the eye of a camel to pass through a rich man than for a needle to enter the kingdom of heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    Not to be critical or anything, because any new books are good news, but the book cover reminds me of this. Who are the authors (I have not heard of them)?
    Ron Hubbard started a cult who believe that aliens got blown up in a volcano so many years ago and that caused their souls to stick together inside of humans. Humans need to be cleansed of the souls. Dianetics is a book about the aliens getting blown up in a volcano with an atom bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    Who's writing an english book on classical socionics ?
    I have been, but I am taking my time (it will come out later this year). My book will cover all the bases and will be somewhat academic-like, but hopefully still easy to understand.
    Will you be selling the book for us in this forum with a good discount?
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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    Visual Identification is a bogus thing. VI doesn't work. True socionists don't use VI.
    Then those true socionics use a smaller source of information for typing.

    If you know a lot of people you eventually can't deny that there are some very obvious similarity's in their facial structure.

    Of course you can keep Not using them, but that's not a smart thing. I say: The more information the better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick

    This book offers a unique and authentic method of Visual Identification of types, including references to pictures of real people placed face to face by their Psychological Functions. The reader should be able to instantly identify Psychological types by their facial features. Distribution tables show the distribution of Psychological Functions, Scales and Types in the population, as well as the probability of finding the best match for each type.
    *sigh*
    This would all be soundly rejected in Russia/Ukraine. But here, I guess it's all new so no one can tell the difference.
    Yes, only with some experience is it possible in rare cases to solely rely on VI.

    This makes it sound to easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno
    Quote Originally Posted by Rick

    This book offers a unique and authentic method of Visual Identification of types, including references to pictures of real people placed face to face by their Psychological Functions. The reader should be able to instantly identify Psychological types by their facial features. Distribution tables show the distribution of Psychological Functions, Scales and Types in the population, as well as the probability of finding the best match for each type.
    *sigh*
    This would all be soundly rejected in Russia/Ukraine. But here, I guess it's all new so no one can tell the difference.
    Yes, only with some experience is it possible in rare cases to solely rely on VI.

    This makes it sound to easy.
    Looking at people and studying them is good, and there certainly are external similarities, but all the people I have ever met who have said specifically this:
    The reader should be able to instantly identify Psychological types by their facial features.
    were charlatans or the "nasty guru" type of people.
    It is easier for the eye of a camel to pass through a rich man than for a needle to enter the kingdom of heaven.

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    yep. i agree.


    by the way, the book claims that it is written by members of the socionics institute...
    So it is more probable that it's a reliable book i guess?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno
    yep. i agree.


    by the way, the book claims that it is written by members of the socionics institute...
    So it is more probable that it's a reliable book.
    Where did they say that? If so, the two of them created it in Virginia without informing anyone. I know all the members of the institute here in Ukraine, and they all live in Kiev. I haven't heard of any other institutes. This all makes me suspicious that they are trying to monopolize the socionics trademark to make money.

    By the way, it was not hard to find their institute:

    http://www.rost-labs.org/

    Both of the authors must be Russian immigrants or descendents of Russians. I could not find anything about them related to socionics after doing a search in Russian.
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    Christ fuck you are the moron I repelled from this forum that is always trying to gain money from something that should be publicly available as socionics, and moreover without having any understanding of the subject. I admire the courage you have to come here and publicize your crappy book among people that have a deeper knowledge of socionics than you.
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    If the book claims that you can tell from someone's facial structure what type they are, then it isn't worth any amount of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Christ fuck you are the moron I repelled from this forum that is always trying to gain money from something that should be publicly available as socionics, and moreover without having any understanding of the subject. I admire the courage you have to come here and publicize your crappy book among people that have a deeper knowledge of socionics than you.
    He's not advertising his book, but other people's book. He is probably an Amazon associate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    If the book claims that you can tell from someone's facial structure what type they are, then it isn't worth any amount of money.
    This is possible in rare cases as most people probably already have experienced. But claiming that it can be administerd at anyone's face then you have to be really really really really good, or it's just not possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    Where did they say that?
    If you are at the Lulu site, you can click on examples from this book, or something.

    On page 2 i believe, i read something about socionics institute.

    and you could mail them at socionics-institute@gmail.com which doesn't sound to reliable... hmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    If the book claims that you can tell from someone's facial structure what type they are, then it isn't worth any amount of money.
    I disagree. types all have dimples; types all have removed stances; types are all emotionally rigid; types have solid features; types seem passively interested; types are excitable; types are relaxedly; types are impassioned.

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    I think that Machintruck ( or what was the name of that French guy), should write he's own little book on socionics. To be downloaded from the internet. Everione says he understands real socionis. So others could use he's knowledge.
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    It would be really a shame if the first introduction of socionics in the west would be done by sharlatans... But well like an old saying... don't judge the book by it's cover

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    If the book claims that you can tell from someone's facial structure what type they are, then it isn't worth any amount of money.
    I disagree. types all have dimples; types all have removed stances; types are all emotionally rigid; types have solid features; types seem passively interested; types are excitable; types are relaxedly; types are impassioned.
    Do you know what facial structure is? Only two of the things you mentioned are facial structure. And not all Fe types have dimples - I can think of a few off the top of my head who don't. Also, what does "solid features" mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    If the book claims that you can tell from someone's facial structure what type they are, then it isn't worth any amount of money.
    I disagree. types all have dimples; types all have removed stances; types are all emotionally rigid; types have solid features; types seem passively interested; types are excitable; types are relaxedly; types are impassioned.
    Do you know what facial structure is? Only two of the things you mentioned are facial structure. And not all Fe types have dimples - I can think of a few off the top of my head who don't. Also, what does "solid features" mean?
    I agree. Tcaudilllg's list isn't that bad!
    But read the site of the "Socionics Institute." They are talking about other kinds of facial features.
    It is easier for the eye of a camel to pass through a rich man than for a needle to enter the kingdom of heaven.

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    so did anyone read it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick

    By the way, it was not hard to find their institute:

    http://www.rost-labs.org/
    This site seems very commercial to me, like those easy-to-find thousands of websites which sell Viagra, get-rich-quickly schemes, success-promising PDF documents or such.

    I don't think anybody will buy this book, because only internet novices tend to be trapped by those websites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    I was reading over Gulenko recently, where he made a really arrogant comment regarding "the impending fall of the West and the rise of the East".
    http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...gul_destiny%2f

    Impression is created, that the West will not become to trouble itself the perception of deep multilevel concepts. Possibly because for the integral approach the right cerebral hemisphere, which in the technogenic civilization is secretly considered less developed, as the more primitive than leftist, answers. However, it is difficult to deny the fact that both Young and Aushra itself were faster eastern type scientists — certain spiritual to kieselguhr, but not laboratory- computer specialists.

    This is not completely bad. It's no secret to anyone, that the West approaches its historical end. In the next decades a substantial change of the ethnic composition of Euro-Atlantic civilization in favor of alien to it peoples as a result of the low birth rate among the indigenous population and the mass migration from the poor countries expects us. Similar to Western Roman empire, its historical successor will undergo the invasion of contemporary "barbarians" and, shaken at her bases, will end further existence. World civilizational center inevitably is moved to the side of southeastern Asia. The sun arises in the east.
    If a Western author does not introduce socionics, it will not be introduced at all. Institutionalized Russian bigotry is probably socionics's greatest opponent at this time.
    He's not far off-base, if you ask me.
    Seconded. I recommend "The Clash of Civilizations" by Samuel P. Huntington if anyone wants insights into this issue. He provides tonnes of interesting facts and charts, like that the West has been in decline since about 1920 (when it reached it's zenith), since then the West, relative to the rest of the world, has been steadily losing power- economically and politically. The cold war and eventual Western victory provided the illusion that the West had won and proved its system of liberal democracy to be superior and thus its system would become everyone's system. However, modernization and westernization have proven to be two different things.

    Anyways I really recommend that book, it was written in 1998, I believe, but the information it provides accurately predicts pretty much everything in global politics that's happened lately (America's failure in Iraq, Ukraine's political instability, Russia moving away from a western style political democracy, increasing islamic fundamentalism in Turkey etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by misutii
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    I was reading over Gulenko recently, where he made a really arrogant comment regarding "the impending fall of the West and the rise of the East".
    http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...gul_destiny%2f

    Impression is created, that the West will not become to trouble itself the perception of deep multilevel concepts. Possibly because for the integral approach the right cerebral hemisphere, which in the technogenic civilization is secretly considered less developed, as the more primitive than leftist, answers. However, it is difficult to deny the fact that both Young and Aushra itself were faster eastern type scientists — certain spiritual to kieselguhr, but not laboratory- computer specialists.

    This is not completely bad. It's no secret to anyone, that the West approaches its historical end. In the next decades a substantial change of the ethnic composition of Euro-Atlantic civilization in favor of alien to it peoples as a result of the low birth rate among the indigenous population and the mass migration from the poor countries expects us. Similar to Western Roman empire, its historical successor will undergo the invasion of contemporary "barbarians" and, shaken at her bases, will end further existence. World civilizational center inevitably is moved to the side of southeastern Asia. The sun arises in the east.
    If a Western author does not introduce socionics, it will not be introduced at all. Institutionalized Russian bigotry is probably socionics's greatest opponent at this time.
    He's not far off-base, if you ask me.
    Seconded. I recommend "The Clash of Civilizations" by Samuel P. Huntington if anyone wants insights into this issue. He provides tonnes of interesting facts and charts, like that the West has been in decline since about 1920 (when it reached it's zenith), since then the West, relative to the rest of the world, has been steadily losing power- economically and politically. The cold war and eventual Western victory provided the illusion that the West had won and proved its system of liberal democracy to be superior and thus its system would become everyone's system. However, modernization and westernization have proven to be two different things.

    Anyways I really recommend that book, it was written in 1998, I believe, but the information it provides accurately predicts pretty much everything in global politics that's happened lately (America's failure in Iraq, Ukraine's political instability, Russia moving away from a western style political democracy, increasing islamic fundamentalism in Turkey etc.)
    If we had preserved the same West-to-East power ratio that we had in 1920, the West would be a super high-tech society full of wealth, and the rest of the world would be living in huts with primitive sewer systems. I think Huntington was talking about the power ratio being in decline, not the actual West itself. Isn't that a good thing?

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    I was reading over Gulenko recently, where he made a really arrogant comment regarding "the impending fall of the West and the rise of the East".
    http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...gul_destiny%2f

    Impression is created, that the West will not become to trouble itself the perception of deep multilevel concepts. Possibly because for the integral approach the right cerebral hemisphere, which in the technogenic civilization is secretly considered less developed, as the more primitive than leftist, answers. However, it is difficult to deny the fact that both Young and Aushra itself were faster eastern type scientists — certain spiritual to kieselguhr, but not laboratory- computer specialists.

    This is not completely bad. It's no secret to anyone, that the West approaches its historical end. In the next decades a substantial change of the ethnic composition of Euro-Atlantic civilization in favor of alien to it peoples as a result of the low birth rate among the indigenous population and the mass migration from the poor countries expects us. Similar to Western Roman empire, its historical successor will undergo the invasion of contemporary "barbarians" and, shaken at her bases, will end further existence. World civilizational center inevitably is moved to the side of southeastern Asia. The sun arises in the east.
    If a Western author does not introduce socionics, it will not be introduced at all. Institutionalized Russian bigotry is probably socionics's greatest opponent at this time.
    He's not far off-base, if you ask me.
    Seconded. I recommend "The Clash of Civilizations" by Samuel P. Huntington if anyone wants insights into this issue. He provides tonnes of interesting facts and charts, like that the West has been in decline since about 1920 (when it reached it's zenith), since then the West, relative to the rest of the world, has been steadily losing power- economically and politically. The cold war and eventual Western victory provided the illusion that the West had won and proved its system of liberal democracy to be superior and thus its system would become everyone's system. However, modernization and westernization have proven to be two different things.

    Anyways I really recommend that book, it was written in 1998, I believe, but the information it provides accurately predicts pretty much everything in global politics that's happened lately (America's failure in Iraq, Ukraine's political instability, Russia moving away from a western style political democracy, increasing islamic fundamentalism in Turkey etc.)
    If we had preserved the same West-to-East power ratio that we had in 1920, the West would be a super high-tech society full of wealth, and the rest of the world would be living in huts with primitive sewer systems. I think Huntington was talking about the power ratio being in decline, not the actual West itself. Isn't that a good thing?

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    Umm how can you separate power ratio from anything else? The fact that Western influence is declining means that there's less resources available to western countries. I.e. Take East Asia for instance, China used to have hegemony there and China will re-gain their hegemony. Whereas once western ideas like democracy held sway amongst Chinese intellectuals and even caused protests like the one at Tiannaman(can't spell) they seem now all but dead as modernization has given China the confidence to assert its own culture and values at the cost of western ones (i.e. China disregarding western companies pleas to do something about piracy, the world in general seeing Western "Human Rights" as subjective bull-shit that should be left to interpretation, the rest of the world seeing the West as increasingly decadent and weak vs. as a power worth submitting to.

    Decline doesn't need to be taken overly negatively, it doesn't mean the West is going to collapse, it just means that it's already reached its global zenith and so there's nowhere to go but down as other countries are increasingly able to assert their authority at the cost of Western Interests.

    Furthermore history can be used in such situations to predict the future... and in history decline is a natural part of the cycle. The Roman Empire was in decline from about the 200s to its fall (the western half anyway) about 200 years later, it doesn't mean anything drastic is going to happen right now.
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    Who cares as long as I get my social security checks when I'm old and frail!

    (oh wait, I have to move back to the U.S. to receive them... never mind)
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    Furthermore history can be used in such situations to predict the future... and in history decline is a natural part of the cycle. The Roman Empire was in decline from about the 200s to its fall (the western half anyway) about 200 years later, it doesn't mean anything drastic is going to happen right now.
    That's assuming nations still exist at that time. I suspect the concept of nation will be changing within the next half century.... Look at the EU, for example. Nations are increasingly ethnic group governing entities and less so alliances of common economic interest. The interstate alliance has proven a superior method of resource sharing to that of the nation. The alliance has also proven itself a superior diffuser of intranational conflicts. Although at first glance the U.S. would appear to have suggested otherwise, its failure in Iraq is a testament to the failure of unilateralism in general. The military industrial complex succeeds in the overthrow of rogue regimes, but is incapable of diffusing ethnic passions. Only international intervention can do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    Furthermore history can be used in such situations to predict the future... and in history decline is a natural part of the cycle. The Roman Empire was in decline from about the 200s to its fall (the western half anyway) about 200 years later, it doesn't mean anything drastic is going to happen right now.
    That's assuming nations still exist at that time. I suspect the concept of nation will be changing within the next half century.... Look at the EU, for example. Nations are increasingly ethnic group governing entities and less so alliances of common economic interest. The interstate alliance has proven a superior method of resource sharing to that of the nation. The alliance has also proven itself a superior diffuser of intranational conflicts. Although at first glance the U.S. would appear to have suggested otherwise, its failure in Iraq is a testament to the failure of unilateralism in general. The military industrial complex succeeds in the overthrow of rogue regimes, but is incapable of diffusing ethnic passions. Only international intervention can do that.
    and, what, pray, will be the multilateralist techniques of future china?

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    I suspect nationalism will destroy China, probably within the next 20 or 30 years. China has several ethnic groups and a horrifically large population. Tibet in particular might win its independence.

    No one stands to gain anything from a dominant Red China. The international community will wait for it to flex its muscles and as soon as it does, money will be coming in from everywhere to destabilize the country.

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