Smilingeyes

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Initial notes
Season 13 Cook Islands

Jonathan +/- Candice
Yul + Becky
Jonathan - Jessica
Jonathan +/- Yul
Candice + Adam
Sekou + Nate
Sundra + Rebecca
Ozzy- Billy
Rebecca + Sekou
JP - Billy
Ozzy +/-Cristina
Adam + Parvati
Nate+ Parvati
Becky + Jonathan

Pre 1st merge:
Sekou Bunch 45, Los Angeles, CA Manihiki ISTj
Vergilio "Billy" Garcia 36, New York, NY Aitutaki ISTj

Main Aitutaki
Cecilia Mansilla 29, Oakland, CA ESFj
Anh-Tuan "Cao Boi" Bui 42, Christiansburg, VA ENFj
Jessica "Flica" Smith 27, Chico, CA ESTp
Candice Woodcock 23, Fayetteville, NC ESFp
Jonathan Penner 44, Los Angeles, CA ENTj
Sundra Oakley 31, Los Angeles, CA ENTp
Rebekah "Becky" Lee 28, Washington, D.C. INFj
Oscar "Ozzy" Lusth 25, Venice, CA ISTp
Yul Kwon 31, San Mateo, CA INTj


Main Rarotonga
John Paul "J.P." Calderon 30, Marina Del Rey, CA ENTp
Stephannie Favor 35, Columbia, SC INTp
Cristina Coria 35, Los Angeles, CA ESTj
Brad Virata 29, Los Angeles, CA ENFp
Rebecca Borman 34, Laurelton, NY ESFj
Jenny Guzon-Bae 36, Lake Forest, IL
Nathan "Nate" Gonzalez 26, Los Angeles, CA ESFp
Parvati Shallow 23, Los Angeles, CA INFp
Adam Gentry 28, San Diego, CA ISTj

Still very tentative

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Season 15 China
Initial notes

Fei Long
Leslie Nease 38, Tega Cay, SC ISFj
Aaron Reisberger 32, Venice, CA ISTj
Jean-Robert Bellande 36, Las Vegas, NV ESTp
James Clement 30, Lafayette, LA ESTj
Denise Martin 40, Douglas, MA
Amanda Kimmel 23, Kalispell, MT ENTp
Courtney Yates 26, New York City, NY INTj
Todd Herzog 22, Pleasant Grove, UT ENTp

Zhan Hu
Steve "Chicken" Morris 47, Marion, VA INTp
Ashley Massaro 28, East Northport, NY ESFj
Dave Cruser 37, Simi Valley, CA ISTj (the most stereotypical case possible)
Sherea Lloyd 26, Atlanta, GA INTp
Jaime Dugan 22, Columbia, SC
Michael "Frosti" Zernow 20, Chicago, IL ISFp
Erik Huffman 26, Nashville, TN ENTp
Peih-Gee Law 29, Marina del Rey, CA ESFp

Again, quite tentative at this point

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I never understood your gibberish, smilingeyes, although the huge amount you write keeps me curious about what are you on. I hope one day I'll be able to read more than three sentences and keep the thread.

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Re: Amanda from Tocantins/Heroes vs Villains

I've also had a really hard time typing her.

She seems Fi-valuing, likely Fi-ego. And she is excellent athletically in the use of her body, so Si- or Se- ego? But she doesn't seem to be dominant Se.

We never really hear from her that much, and she says in the background, so that might suggest introversion, though i'm not sure.

So I think we can rule out Alpha and Beta. So she's either Gamma or Delta.

Most likely type imo right now based on this: ISFj. Or, INFj. Though her athletic prowess is striking, which makes me think S-type, but on the other hand Parvati is an amazing athlete too, and she's definitely INFp.

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I think the makers of Lost also know socionics.

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also i dont know about Sandra being ESTp. If so, I would think she and Parvati would be closer and more trusting. She also seems to be more Fi-valuing. I'm thinking Sandra is ESFp.

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eunice

Amanda seems like a Delta type imo, but I'm not sure which one yet. Parvati seems Fe-INFp to me. Despite her notority in the show, she is one of my favorites.

As to the latest episode of Survivor: Heroes vs Villians, LOL @ JT for been too trusting of Russell, and I find it incredulous for JT to pass the immunity idol to Russell even though he doesn't know Russell that well. Way to go for assuming things based on the surface.

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I agree that Parvati seems like an INFp. Certainly a Beta NF imo.

JT needs the Wizard. JT plays a good social game, but Stephen was the brains behind the operation the entirety of Tocantins.

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lol I just watched that episode! seems like JT has Ni-HA and unvalued and/or WEAK Fi! OMG soooo dumb. I support ISTj for JT now.

p.s. I miswrote--I meant Amanda in my previous post, not Candace (i corrected it!). I also think she seems Delta. But I just dont know her too well because they tend to not have her talk that much on the show. And she tends to stay in the shadows herself. I know she's the kind of person though that I'd want to be friends with. She seems really nice and genuine.

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The one thing i'm trying to figure out is--if Russell is ENTj and Parvati is INFp, why do they feel so close and have relative trust between them? I can't help wondering whether Russell is actually a beta. . .He's always going on and on about how he's king and he's in control of the whole game. Well, gammas are Se-valuing too so i guess him being a gamma is still consistent.

Would a supervisor-supervisee relationship look like what Russell & Parvati have?

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eunice

Hmmm, Russell seems to think that he is having the situation and team members such as Parvati and Danielle under control. However, it seems that Parvati doesn't trust him as much as he does in her and she might actually be the one having an upper hand since she has a hidden immunity idol which is kept secret from Russell. As such, I can see why they have a supervisor-supervisee relationship.

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eunice

After watching all the episodes of Heroes Vs Villains which have been broadcasted so far, I think Amanda from the Heroes tribe might be Te-ESTj.

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enfp101xx

Hey so I'm new to this but a huge fan of survivor!
I always thought Russell Hantz was an ESTP
because he's so strategic, and estp can be the best puppet master! It's not like he's intuitive, he's just always 5 steps ahead of everyone else. Also in one of online clips on the survivor website, he said he had a gambling problem... a lot of estp have gambling problems.

I also thought Parvarti was an ENFP not a INFP. In her bio, she's a journalist, which is the career path most ENFP can be found in. I'm an ENFP too and I know ENFPs are really good at reading people's motives, and are very strategic, usually aided by being extremely charming, which helps us get what we want. Also I have an ESTP friend, ENFP and ESTP usually don't get eachother, but they respect each other, which is why I think Russell can't really manipulate Parvarti.

ENFP are usually very underestimated but we learn very fast through experience. I know when I want something really bad, I will do whatever it takes to get it. It's really the charm though that helps.

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Don't know about ENFp for Parvati, I think ENFp's are not as good at masking their emotions under a big flashy smile as Parvati is, i.e. the emotions ENFp's show are usually what they are feeling inside (albeit through a filter), no matter how much they want to hide it.

However, I do agree wholeheartedly with the part I bolded above. Definitely rings true for me. And for the likes of Evan Lysacek who is also thought to be ENFp, to bring one celebrity example. I wouldn't say that charm is a tool for achieving something for me--my motive in appearing charming is just to be friendly, decent, and "aristocratic" so to speak (i.e. using swear words is beneath me).

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you and me both!

though I was impressed by how he kept anticipating the immunity idols and finding them even before any clue appeared. He ain't a dumb fella. I just despise the way he goes about his strategies--very unnecessarily conniving and unfriendly, like when he dumped out people's water and burned their socks just to make life more unpleasant for them. He really did not need to do that. There is always a friendly way to win too.

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eunice

As discussed previously, Parvati is my favorite. However, she seems Beta > Delta imo. Most likely Fe-INFp.

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polikujm

I don't agree with this methodology. I think Fi types like Parvati can easily keep their emotions to themselves, but wear their heart on their sleeve, where as it is typical of Fe types to freely express more and reach out more emotionally, and search for emotional cues. Fe's are also social connectors ethically, but its in more of an open external manner. Fi types will immediately come across as more relational, internally driven by feelings, which can still come through and be stirred on the outside, and IEEs can be silly and emotionally reactive, it's just in a noticeably different mode of thought, as though the Fi type has a Te objective to the interaction and there are truths that need to come out and be expressed. Parvati doesn't have the emotional range and tolerance of a Beta NF, she is very Fe-subconscious, and Russel + Parvati come across most instantly as a relation of activity. Parvati is working through the possibilities and quite concerned with getting the facts straight, naturally staying true to her strong relationships, versus Amanda, where you can tell she is very conscious of her emotions and expressions, and with Ni has clearly developed and expressed emotional expectations and uncertainties, and she always seems rather unsettled.

Russel LSE (I really enjoy him, and he's a caregiver )
Jerri EII
Parvati typical IEE
Coach SLI (I laughed at EIE. You seriously think Si-PoLR?)
James SLE (LSE seriously? probably explains some misconception about delta.)
Tom LSI
Amanda EIE, maybe IEI
Rupert EIE
Sugar SEI
JT ESI
Courtney is perhaps some beta, haven't thought about it much.

I feel as though people have some things backwards with quadras. In an obvious instance, the huge trouble in communication between Amanda and Parvati is that Amanda looks at things from a totally Fe+Ni perspective, which I found was the most obvious in the merge episode.

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Your typings make absolutely no sense from a quadra standpoint though. Rupert, Amanda, and James have an attitude of keeping the peace, bringing people together, and overall collegiality which is more along the lines of Delta. Meanwhile, Russell, Parvati, Coach, and Jerri have an attitude of being in power, destroying the enemy, and conquering--totally Beta. (did you forget Coach and his constant mantra--"I am the dragon-slayer!" ??? Also I see no signs of Si-valuing in him, in fact he brags about how little Si he needs). Really?? You see Russell as a caregiver?? REALLYY?? Instead of doing chores, he wreaks havoc by releasing chickens, pouring out peoples' water, and going off on his own to search for the immunity idol--that's a caregiver?? And so vengeful? Seems like the very epitome of an aggressor to me.

I see nothing that would contradict James being LSE--he is the gentle giant. Now THAT there is what I would call a caregiver. Watch and learn polikujm.

So I think it's you who have the quadras backward, actually.

However, your description of Fe vs Fi is basically what I said. But in my view Parvati, according to both of our definitions, is Fe-ego. She constantly searches for emotional cues, and she is very expressive of emotions that are "expected" by the group while hiding her own personal emotions (she is a PRO at doing so, and the reason she won Survivor was because of this talent).

Amanda is very Fi-valuing imo (did you forget how attached she was to James in the big bad dangerous social world of the survivor tribe? and when he didn't get voted out when he hurt himself, she ran to him with outstretched arms and tears of joy flowing on her face--obviously genuine). I keep thinking she may be EII actually. Most certainly a Delta, no question.

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