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I hate this show from the pit of my soul. HATE HATE HATE it. I mean utterly LOATHE this show. My ex-roommate always used to have it on, but watching it burns my eyes with the passion of a thousand nuns. Anyway, Charlie's a fop -- he's clearly intuitive. Charlie: IEI Alan: Delta NF (the character that has to live with an opposite quadra, what a "clever" storyline Jake: SEI Evelyn (the mother): EIE Rose (the stalker lady): ESE Berta (the maid): LSI Kandy: IEI Judith: LII Herb: ILE Charlie's fiance: SLE
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Charlie is clearly intuitive? Heh... Yeah, Alan, the other dude - I can see him as a delta NF. Both of them are NFs? I'm not ready to buy that, at all. I see a lot more ST-NF foil than NF delta/NF beta foil. |
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The two adult guys are an ESTj - ENFp couple. Not sure about the kid. I saw the guy who plays Malcolm Reynolds in Firefly appear in one of the episodes. Although people type him wrongly in almost every possible way, he is an ESTj too.
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^ Who is the ESTj, Alan or Charlie? I don't see how Charlie can be an ST type. He doesn't do any actual work and sits on his candyass all day. He gets all the money he needs basically gifted to him as royalties because of a few simple lyrics he writes. How about that for DS? In one episode he even panicked that he didn't have enough money to pay the bills, instead of actually going out and doing something about it. His entire lifestyle is almost entirely focussed on other people and what they do -- ie. his girlfriends or criticizing Alan. He's also "naturally" very charming to women. That's strong ethics. Most of his girlfriends are either other IEIs or blatant Se egos.
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This guy: I'm typing the actor, mostly on the basis of looks and body language. Quote:
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Te criticism points out the visible material aspects that are wrong with someone, implying a negative statement about that person's perpetual character (Fi). Fe criticism starts by associating a person with some negative trait, implying that it makes him unsuitable for material tasks (Ti) or life in general. Charlie never directly criticizes Alan for his failures. He casually makes fun of him every time he's around. The audience plays the role of the dual, filling in the info that Alan is a loser. That's the whole point of the show.
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Minute 1.45: Ethical "mistake" on Charlie's part (hell, it's a whole slew of them, in light of which it would be really stubborn to keep calling him F): | ||
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An LSE would have leading Te. He should have a strong work ethic. Charlie only ever does the work he needs to; the point of the show is that he's rich, beautiful, successful and happy without ever having to lift a finger. So much so, that labor is an alien notion to him. This is repeated in almost every single episode. In fairness, that coupled with his abrasiveness (possible Fe PoLR/ignoring) and desire for a personal comfort zone (away from Alan), might be a reason to consider SLI. I don't know about the actor's type, but the show could be a case of a delta ST playing a mock IEI conflictor, as something of a joke. Maybe that's why his style and level of abrasiveness seem delta ST. Also, he's generic and poorly characterized. Quote:
In that clip though, he was able to recover from his errors and still maintain his relationship with Jake. That might be an indication of strong F. Ethical types also freely express their ethical opinions. It's logical types that are generally afraid of making ethical mistakes in their respective superego functions.
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If we agree that the particular kind of abrasiveness displayed by the Charlie character is indicative of Delta ST, I can supply this as evidence that the actor is of that club in real life: Quote:
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Regarding ethics in SLIs, this is what Rick (mostly) wrote about them: Quote:
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