Two and a Half Men

Ryu · 11-26-2009, 10:12 PM

Charlie: SLI
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Parkster · 11-26-2009, 10:19 PM

LOL

**jxrtes** · 11-26-2009, 10:34 PM

I hate this show from the pit of my soul. HATE HATE HATE it. I mean utterly LOATHE this show. My ex-roommate always used to have it on, but watching it burns my eyes with the passion of a thousand nuns.

Anyway, Charlie's a fop -- he's clearly intuitive.

Charlie: IEI
Alan: Delta NF (the character that has to live with an opposite quadra, what a "clever" storyline

)
Jake: SEI
Evelyn (the mother): EIE

Rose (the stalker lady): ESE

Berta (the maid): LSI
Kandy: IEI

Judith: LII
Herb: ILE

Charlie's fiance: SLE

Ryu · 11-26-2009, 10:48 PM

Charlie is clearly intuitive?
Heh...

Yeah, Alan, the other dude - I can see him as a delta NF.
Both of them are NFs? I'm not ready to buy that, at all.

I see a lot more ST-NF foil than NF delta/NF beta foil.

**jxrtes** · 11-26-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryu

Charlie is clearly intuitive?
Heh...

Yeah, Alan, the other dude - I can see him as a delta NF.
Both of them are NFs? I'm not ready to buy that, at all.

Why would Charlie be ST then?

crazedratXII · 11-27-2009, 01:33 AM

yeah that show has some of the weakest writing on TV. the premise is lame too. the jokes are predictable.. the acting is sub-par.. the characters are unlikable. It's like a comedy for autistic people

**Khola** · 11-27-2009, 10:46 AM

Can't stand this show. I'd have Charlie as SEE.

Blaze · 11-27-2009, 12:45 PM

that show is hilarious. it's so bad it's good. hahaha

labcoat · 11-27-2009, 02:06 PM

The two adult guys are an ESTj - ENFp couple. Not sure about the kid. I saw the guy who plays Malcolm Reynolds in Firefly appear in one of the episodes. Although people type him wrongly in almost every possible way, he is an ESTj too.

**jxrtes** · 11-27-2009, 02:57 PM

^ Who is the ESTj, Alan or Charlie?

I don't see how Charlie can be an ST type. He doesn't do any actual work and sits on his candyass all day. He gets all the money he needs basically gifted to him as royalties because of a few simple lyrics he writes. How about that for DS? In one episode he even panicked that he didn't have enough money to pay the bills, instead of actually going out and doing something about it.

His entire lifestyle is almost entirely focussed on other people and what they do -- ie. his girlfriends or criticizing Alan.

He's also "naturally" very charming to women. That's strong ethics.

Most of his girlfriends are either other IEIs or blatant Se egos.

labcoat · 11-27-2009, 03:17 PM

This guy:

Charlie_Sheen

I'm typing the actor, mostly on the basis of looks and body language.

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He's also "naturally" very charming to women. That's strong ethics.

It's a manifestation of Si. Ethical functions have a bit of a habit of making men appear awkward due to role confusion. Alan is a great example. Charlie is a good specimen of a charming and unambiguiously male person. There is nothing incompatible with ESTj there.

**jxrtes** · 11-27-2009, 03:25 PM

Judith seems to supervise Alan, so IEE works better than EII.

labcoat · 11-27-2009, 03:46 PM

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His entire lifestyle is almost entirely focussed on other people and what they do -- ie. his girlfriends or criticizing Alan.

The lives of most people on earth are focussed primarily on other people. Criticism is one of the most distinct trademarks of Te.

**jxrtes** · 11-27-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by labcoat

The lives of most people on earth are focussed primarily on other people. Criticism is one of the most distinct trademarks of Te.

Not the point where people are the only aspect of reality that person is interested in, or do you reject the strength of clubs as a criteria in typing? I should have also written "making fun of" instead of criticize.

Te criticism points out the visible material aspects that are wrong with someone, implying a negative statement about that person's perpetual character (Fi). Fe criticism starts by associating a person with some negative trait, implying that it makes him unsuitable for material tasks (Ti) or life in general.

Charlie never directly criticizes Alan for his failures. He casually makes fun of him every time he's around. The audience plays the role of the dual, filling in the info that Alan is a loser. That's the whole point of the show.

labcoat · 11-27-2009, 04:22 PM

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Not the point where people are the only aspect of reality that person is interested in, or do you reject the strength of clubs as a criteria in typing? I should have also written "making fun of" instead of criticize.

When a person is to an extreme degree closed off from other people it can be an indication that they are either INTx type. If likewise the social inclinations are really extreme it can indicate ESFx. Anything in between doesn't influence the typing much at all.

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Charlie never directly criticizes Alan for his failures. He casually makes fun of him every time he's around.

Criticism wasn't a bad word to use at all. Keep in mind he is a Te type compatible with Alan's. Delta STs also aren't exactly as harsh about giving criticism than INTps are, for example.

Minute 1.45: Ethical "mistake" on Charlie's part (hell, it's a whole slew of them, in light of which it would be really stubborn to keep calling him F):

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

jessica129 · 11-27-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by crazedratXII

yeah that show has some of the weakest writing on TV. the premise is lame too. the jokes are predictable.. the acting is sub-par.. the characters are unlikable. It's like a comedy for autistic people

Are you ever happy?

**jxrtes** · 11-27-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by labcoat

When a person is to an extreme degree closed off from other people it can be an indication that they are either INTx type. If likewise the social inclinations are really extreme it can indicate ESFx. Anything in between doesn't influence the typing much at all.

I wasn't referring to Smilexian socionics.

An LSE would have leading Te. He should have a strong work ethic. Charlie only ever does the work he needs to; the point of the show is that he's rich, beautiful, successful and happy without ever having to lift a finger. So much so, that labor is an alien notion to him. This is repeated in almost every single episode.

In fairness, that coupled with his abrasiveness (possible Fe PoLR/ignoring) and desire for a personal comfort zone (away from Alan), might be a reason to consider SLI.

I don't know about the actor's type, but the show could be a case of a delta ST playing a mock IEI conflictor, as something of a joke. Maybe that's why his style and level of abrasiveness seem delta ST. Also, he's generic and poorly characterized.

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Criticism wasn't a bad word to use at all. Keep in mind he is a Te type compatible with Alan's. Delta STs also aren't exactly as harsh about giving criticism than INTps are, for example.

Minute 1.45: Ethical "mistake" on Charlie's part (hell, it's a whole slew of them, in light of which it would be really stubborn to keep calling him F):
YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

His level of abrasiveness is completely uncharacteristic of IEI, but it's also not necessarily indicative of delta ST. If he has weak F and weak T, then his characterization is inconsistent with socionics.

In that clip though, he was able to recover from his errors and still maintain his relationship with Jake. That might be an indication of strong F.

Ethical types also freely express their ethical opinions. It's logical types that are generally afraid of making ethical mistakes in their respective superego functions.

labcoat · 11-27-2009, 05:28 PM

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I wasn't referring to Smilexian socionics.

I'm not referring to any speculative model either, only to empirical observations of the types. It's only the INTx and ESFx types that have extreme social behaviors. The rest of the types are quite normal in that regard.

If we agree that the particular kind of abrasiveness displayed by the Charlie character is indicative of Delta ST, I can supply this as evidence that the actor is of that club in real life:

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

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In fairness, that coupled with his abrasiveness (possible Fe PoLR/ignoring) and desire for a personal comfort zone (away from Alan), might be a reason to consider SLI.

ISTp played by ESTj sounds good to me. Anything involving INFp is rubbish.

**jxrtes** · 11-27-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by labcoat

ISTp played by ESTj sounds good to me. Anything involving INFp is rubbish.

Not at all. SLI is a weak typing in my opinion.

Regarding ethics in SLIs, this is what Rick (mostly) wrote about them:

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Originally Posted by Fi HA

SLIs very much enjoy personal conversations where people talk about their feelings and personal experience in an atmosphere of trust and intimacy. However, they tend to willingly follow others' initiative or create external conditions where emotional intimacy is likely to occur rather than actually initiating the intimacy themselves. SLIs are easy people to talk to about one's personal sentiments about life, people, and relationships, since they listen closely and with genuine interest as long as the person they are hearing out is not worked up or agitated.

SLIs appreciate such qualities as concern, tact, and openness about one's feelings. These are the kinds of people they are drawn to for friendship. They are usually very polite and loyal; particularly to close family members and the very few people they count as friends. They expect the same returned, but often suffer quiet disappointment.

Most of the above is opposite of what Charlie does on a regular basis. Is his relationship with Alan any form of duality?

polikujm · 11-27-2009, 05:58 PM

Charlie - LSE
Rose - ESI (his semi dual)
Alan - EIE (his superego)
Juddith - LIE (his comparative, alan's look-a-like)
Jake - SEI (his supervisee, alan's supervisor)

11-26-2009, 10:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ryu Why do you want to understand? Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: zavershitelem Enneatype: 8w9 Sociotype: LSE Posts: 9,039 Blog Entries: 48	Two and a Half Men Charlie: SLI ...

11-26-2009, 10:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
Parkster Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Δέλτα Sociotype: \|S\|LI Enneatype: 4w5 Oldham: Leisurely Posts: 8,124 Blog Entries: 1	LOL __________________ “If you do what you’ve always done, you’ll get what you've always got.”

11-26-2009, 10:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
jxrtes Administrator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,602	I hate this show from the pit of my soul. HATE HATE HATE it. I mean utterly LOATHE this show. My ex-roommate always used to have it on, but watching it burns my eyes with the passion of a thousand nuns. Anyway, Charlie's a fop -- he's clearly intuitive. Charlie: IEI Alan: Delta NF (the character that has to live with an opposite quadra, what a "clever" storyline ) Jake: SEI Evelyn (the mother): EIE Rose (the stalker lady): ESE Berta (the maid): LSI Kandy: IEI Judith: LII Herb: ILE Charlie's fiance: SLE __________________ The rain in Spain falls mainly on the poor.

11-27-2009, 10:46 AM	#7 (permalink)
Khola isn't in Kansas anymore, this is Oz baby. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,448 Blog Entries: 6	Can't stand this show. I'd have Charlie as SEE. __________________ SEI IEE amalgam. Why? Because I'm awesome. No you are.

11-27-2009, 12:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
Blaze Forum Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,338 Blog Entries: 1	that show is hilarious. it's so bad it's good. hahaha __________________ ILE those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often

11-26-2009, 10:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ryu Why do you want to understand? Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: zavershitelem Enneatype: 8w9 Sociotype: LSE Posts: 9,039 Blog Entries: 48	Charlie is clearly intuitive? Heh... Yeah, Alan, the other dude - I can see him as a delta NF. Both of them are NFs? I'm not ready to buy that, at all. I see a lot more ST-NF foil than NF delta/NF beta foil.

11-27-2009, 01:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
crazedratXII Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: alaska Posts: 2,522	yeah that show has some of the weakest writing on TV. the premise is lame too. the jokes are predictable.. the acting is sub-par.. the characters are unlikable. It's like a comedy for autistic people

11-27-2009, 02:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
labcoat Grand Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,898	The two adult guys are an ESTj - ENFp couple. Not sure about the kid. I saw the guy who plays Malcolm Reynolds in Firefly appear in one of the episodes. Although people type him wrongly in almost every possible way, he is an ESTj too. __________________ INTj SOCIONICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

11-27-2009, 02:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
jxrtes Administrator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,602	^ Who is the ESTj, Alan or Charlie? I don't see how Charlie can be an ST type. He doesn't do any actual work and sits on his candyass all day. He gets all the money he needs basically gifted to him as royalties because of a few simple lyrics he writes. How about that for DS? In one episode he even panicked that he didn't have enough money to pay the bills, instead of actually going out and doing something about it. His entire lifestyle is almost entirely focussed on other people and what they do -- ie. his girlfriends or criticizing Alan. He's also "naturally" very charming to women. That's strong ethics. Most of his girlfriends are either other IEIs or blatant Se egos. __________________ The rain in Spain falls mainly on the poor.

11-27-2009, 03:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
jxrtes Administrator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,602	Judith seems to supervise Alan, so IEE works better than EII. __________________ The rain in Spain falls mainly on the poor.

11-27-2009, 05:58 PM	#20 (permalink)
polikujm barren tongues Join Date: Apr 2009 Sociotype: Ti-ENTp 5w6sp/so Posts: 4,371	Charlie - LSE Rose - ESI (his semi dual) Alan - EIE (his superego) Juddith - LIE (his comparative, alan's look-a-like) Jake - SEI (his supervisee, alan's supervisor)

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