Socionics and evolution

1981slater · 09-09-2009, 01:18 PM

Future Humans May Divide Into Two Species | TechFreep Science

Some random, incendiary thoughts

From my point of view:

-alphas and gammas have higher intelligence, IQs or whatever than betas and deltas.

-big IQ differences (above 30 points) make it impossible to communicate, even when it comes to small talk

-alphas and gammas care more about health than betas and deltas, which are usually into drugs

-without communication, groups isolate

-betas and deltas are physically stronger than alphas and gammas and do more physical activities

-betas and deltas, due to their aristocratic prejudices, don't socialize as much as democrats and this decreases even more their IQ

-alphas and gammas could evolve into the first "slim, beautiful, cerebral" group and betas and deltas into the second "tough, physical" group

Thanks Arthur · 09-09-2009, 01:45 PM

Hard to imagine an NF looking like that.

1981slater · 09-09-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coolanzon

Hard to imagine an NF looking like that.

lol.

attack my statements!

**Krig the Viking** · 09-09-2009, 07:46 PM

The only problem is that, in order for that to be true, you would have to assume that the Quadras don't inter-marry, and Alphas and Betas, for example, don't produce children together. Supervision and Semi-Duality relationships are too common for that to be the case, in my opinion.

1981slater · 09-09-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Krig the Viking

The only problem is that, in order for that to be true, you would have to assume that the Quadras don't inter-marry, and Alphas and Betas, for example, don't produce children together. Supervision and Semi-Duality relationships are too common for that to be the case, in my opinion.

Thanks for your feedback.

You are right, not all "marriages" consist of duals.

Anyway, duality is probably the most abundant intertype relationship among couples. Therefore, this makes evolution go slower, but doesn't alter it

force my hand · 09-09-2009, 07:56 PM

Not to be over critical and take away from the related discussion, but that linked article is abysmal.

1981slater · 09-09-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by force my hand

Not to be over critical and take away from the related discussion, but that linked article is abysmal.

Let's forget everything and flex our

muscle!

**Krig the Viking** · 09-09-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 1981slater

Thanks for your feedback.

You are right, not all "marriages" consist of duals.

Anyway, duality is probably the most abundant intertype relationship among couples. Therefore, this makes evolution go slower, but doesn't alter it

Speciation requires the isolation of two population groups. Social stratification is not nearly enough isolation to produce separate species, not when actual geographic isolation has failed to produce separate human species in all the years of the history of homo sapiens. Furthermore, speciation would take thousands and thousands of years, and it's highly unlikely that our civilization and the current social conditions will last that long. No civilization has ever lasted that long.

Of course, the thing that really wrecks this theory is that type is not inherited. Alphas give birth to Deltas, Betas give birth to Gammas, etc., all the time.

The article is ridiculously sensational pop-science speculation, and the socionics parallel is fundamentally flawed.

ArchonAlarion · 09-09-2009, 11:08 PM

yeah, plus we will become increasingly in control of the genetic makeup of our offspring, and, not very far along now, we will be able to alter our physical form post-birth.

also the comments on that article are hysterical. In both meanings of the word.

1981slater · 09-09-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Krig the Viking

Speciation requires the isolation of two population groups.

Random idea: what about ethno-socionics? (Germany ISTj, Russia ESTp...)

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Social stratification is not nearly enough isolation to produce separate species, not when actual geographic isolation has failed to produce separate human species in all the years of the history of homo sapiens. Furthermore, speciation would take thousands and thousands of years, and it's highly unlikely that our civilization and the current social conditions will last that long. No civilization has ever lasted that long.

ok

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Of course, the thing that really wrecks this theory is that type is not inherited. Alphas give birth to Deltas, Betas give birth to Gammas, etc., all the time.

Parents and children may have different body types (mesomorph, endomorph and ectomorph), which are related to functions

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The article is ridiculously sensational pop-science speculation, and the socionics parallel is fundamentally flawed.

I know. Let's get crazy!

1981slater · 09-09-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion

also the comments on that article are hysterical. In both meanings of the word.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh

Logos · 09-10-2009, 12:03 AM

The subject of this thread is not what I expected. I am sorely disappointed.

**Krig the Viking** · 09-10-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 1981slater

Random idea: what about ethno-socionics? (Germany ISTj, Russia ESTp...)

Ethno-socionics has more to do with culture and accepted norms of behaviour than with any kind of genetic component. Any unified group of people is going to develop certain strategies for survival and prosperity, depending on their environment and circumstances. Different survival strategies can be described by different information elements, resulting in different socionics types for different societies.

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Originally Posted by 1981slater

Parents and children may have different body types (mesomorph, endomorph and ectomorph), which are related to functions

I haven't seen any evidence linking body types to socionics functions, but if you have, I'd be interested in taking a look at it.

The Greeter · 09-10-2009, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Logos

The subject of this thread is not what I expected. I am sorely disappointed.

I agree.

FDG · 09-10-2009, 05:59 AM

It is my understanding that it was an unspoken truth that Europeans will become the A race while Americans will be the B race.

octopuslove · 09-10-2009, 06:32 AM

There are so many utterly imbecilic alphas and gammas that the initial premise of your argument is fundamentally flawed. NT = smart is the dumbest fallacy ever. (Edited because I wanted to use the word "fallacy".)

heath · 09-10-2009, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FDG

It is my understanding that it was an unspoken truth that Europeans will become the A race while Americans will be the B race.

haha, whatever. you guys will be the A Race, we'll be the 1 Race. we're both winners, hooray

1981slater · 09-10-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Krig the Viking

I haven't seen any evidence linking body types to socionics functions, but if you have, I'd be interested in taking a look at it.

Tracking the Elusive Human, Vol. 2

Tracking, Vol. 2, Part III, Chapter 8

This is related to MBTI, apparently.

Top, extroverted logic. Left, extroverted sensing. Right, introverted intuition.

Marie84 · 09-10-2009, 11:03 AM

If you're basing this on stereotypes, wouldn't it make sense to do so by type and not quadra? Because your identical and mirror have completely different strengths than your dual and activation do.

Like...

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-alphas and gammas have higher intelligence, IQs or whatever than betas and deltas.

Do you think this applies to Alpha and Gamma SF's?

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-alphas and gammas care more about health than betas and deltas, which are usually into drugs

This is just ridiculous

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-betas and deltas are physically stronger than alphas and gammas and do more physical activities

Does this really apply to Delta and Beta NF's?

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-betas and deltas, due to their aristocratic prejudices, don't socialize as much as democrats and this decreases even more their IQ

Do you believe that, on average, IEE's and EIE's socialize less than LII's and LSI's?

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-alphas and gammas could evolve into the first "slim, beautiful, cerebral" group and betas and deltas into the second "tough, physical" group

Again, does this really apply to NF's?
And cerebral and Alpha and Gamma SF...?

1981slater · 09-10-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie84

If you're basing this on stereotypes...

This is an incendiary, pro-stereotype, thread. Don't have a hard time

BTW, some ESIs and SEIs are incredibly intelligent.

ETA: if the year we were born is related to intuition (

probably), the structure of your username and type is [ethics]+[intuition] --> marie (an ethical writes her real name) + 84 (year of birth)

I, as your supervisee, write my username in the form of [intuition]+[logic] --> 1981 + slater (a logical uses a nickname)

The bullshit/stereotype generator never sleeps

09-09-2009, 01:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Thanks Arthur THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Perth, Australia Sociotype: Se-SEI 9w8 sx/sp Posts: 5,058 Blog Entries: 3	Hard to imagine an NF looking like that. __________________ Watch out for falling rock monsters and rocks that turn into monsters. C// This link contains extraverted ethics. 9w8-4w5-7w6 sx/sp Hartman Yellow/White Oldham Mercurial/Self-Sacrificing Nohari

09-09-2009, 07:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
Krig the Viking Contrarian Traditionalist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canada's Prairie Farmland Sociotype: C-LII Posts: 1,283	The only problem is that, in order for that to be true, you would have to assume that the Quadras don't inter-marry, and Alphas and Betas, for example, don't produce children together. Supervision and Semi-Duality relationships are too common for that to be the case, in my opinion. __________________ Quaero Veritas.

09-09-2009, 07:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
force my hand Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,945 Blog Entries: 2	Not to be over critical and take away from the related discussion, but that linked article is abysmal. __________________ SLI/ISTp -- Te subtype

09-09-2009, 11:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
ArchonAlarion Weaver of Fate Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,720 Blog Entries: 4	yeah, plus we will become increasingly in control of the genetic makeup of our offspring, and, not very far along now, we will be able to alter our physical form post-birth. also the comments on that article are hysterical. In both meanings of the word. __________________ ENT (NeTi) 5w4 so/sx Suddenly he realized what the answer to the problem was, and it was this, that something very weird was happening; and if something very weird was happening, he thought, he wanted it to be happening to him. -Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy

09-10-2009, 05:59 AM	#15 (permalink)
FDG the I among PIGS Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Venice, Italy Posts: 11,672	It is my understanding that it was an unspoken truth that Europeans will become the A race while Americans will be the B race. __________________ ENTj 7w8

09-10-2009, 06:32 AM	#16 (permalink)
octopuslove flirtinis all round! Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 517	There are so many utterly imbecilic alphas and gammas that the initial premise of your argument is fundamentally flawed. NT = smart is the dumbest fallacy ever. (Edited because I wanted to use the word "fallacy".) __________________ IEI - ESTp subtype

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