SoapOfSapphire

It probably has to do w her being female -- ILI women I know have similar discomfort with the way they feel women are "supposed" to emote, and the way they do [or don't, really]. Whereas I've never heard an ILI guy say the same thing.

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Ashton

Nah, you're not autistic. I only recognize the implied sentiments behind his words, because I've been watching him go around doing this for nigh on a few weeks now. Dropping little incendiary barbs into conversation as passing jokes and what. I never said anything about it before now because there wasn't a reason yet to do so.

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Pied Piper

No it's just about your past statements. I won't dig for the details but the first thing I recall about cinq was when she jumped on me when I said some things that I read and I heard about women in Canada. She also insisted that I can't type Vero, for example, because she's a woman and things like this. You also stated a lot of things about this how males are this and that, in your first posts.

Additionally, it is not even necessary to confess that you're a feminist - feminism is not adherence to an organization, but a philosophy, or rather a deviance, IMO - because it is obvious in the view on things, people and life. For example when a woman so often says "what a douchebag!" out of the void about people who are actually pretty normal, it's clear who you deal with, and observable in the future when you, as a male, and not so ass-kisser try to interact with her, you can see how unreasonably obstructionist she is.
You probably did, first of all cinq did not even deny them, I don't know where the problem is. Why do you assume an offense which might not even be real?
"Distant" and "boring" were based on what was discussed in this thread and Daria, etc. "Resentful" and "vengeful" emerge from my interactions with her which you apparently don't know about. She has a retributive attitude towards me and this is my opinion, regardless whether you find it offensive.
No, my reaction is based on these stupid tensions between genders which others create.

Btw, your posts scream Ne Irrational again, you're not an ILI. I did not change my opinion, just that I could consider IEE too, because of your insistence on ethics and how people relate to each other. Maybe you should know that ILIs mind their own business and don't make up such "dangers" to jump into the "defence" of "abused" people. I am still warning you, I'm certain of this, that you're an Ne type, and it's very unlikely that you'll find real help from someone else because the majority on this forum, even when have a dissident opinion, they're too coward and confine the politics.

I guess that if it's true that you're not an ILI, I'm your only chance here. Btw, good to see you back.

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polikujm

I'm not making jokes about it. I'm just rather upset by the nonsensical methods of identifying type, and if I sound sarcastic, its probably indicating that I'm more grumpy than usual (would be my guess).

It truly is a counter-intuitive way of trying to identify your personality, and people just go on and on, contradicting themselves, and I don't like to see that happen. But if a lesson for me to be learned is just to be quiet and let it happen, then I might as well do so.

Capitalist Pig

Shut up. You know nothing about us.

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Ashton

Yeah, guys aren't hounded with those expectations in life. A male can get away with being perceived as "lacking social skills" and not displaying "proper emotive behavior" or whatever its called. Hardly anyone will give him a hard time about it because it's more accepted for men to be that way.

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SoapOfSapphire

And even mysterious/sexy/intriguing.

... though maybe that's just to Fi-creative types

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Ashton

Haha It seems pretty universal to egos as a whole IME, to have reactions like that towards types. You guys often see it as a sign of something genuine in the person.

Matters of feeling tend to be pretty simple, direct, and straightforward with types I think; there's typically not a lot of entangling complexities or surprise inconsistencies in their feelings towards towards people, situations, ideas, etc. And if you were to question them about that, they'd be bewildered by the notion that it could or should be any more complicated or different than just that—'who would even want to live otherwise?' they would wonder. Which seems to be an attitude chiefly characteristic of types, that egos often find immensely comforting.

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Galen

I've kinda noticed this too in my relationships with other Te people. It feels like I can be as emotionally stupid and neurotic as I usually am, but when it's all over and done with everything will still be the same, and I am quite comforted by that.

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cinq

This rationalization is quite frankly, stupid. Vero is my daughter. I know her well. You attribute/project onto her attitudes and behaviours that are not accurate. It's in my nature, when I see a distortion of the truth to try to rectify it. And, see she is my daughter, I know you are wrong and react strongly because I get tired of this shit.

I've not reacted to your comments because I'm busy at the moment, but, in summary, what you say is pure stupidity. Unfortunately, like ferrous craneous, it's impossible to reason with you. So, it's starting to get truly pointless to try to walk you to the truth.

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Ashton

bye bye thread

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Kamajama

I have also noticed this with the female ILI I know, although it is not a comfortable feeling. It is unnatural for me to think of someone as emotionally static. This is why I hated the idea of yearbook signings. They mean nothing after a month or even less, because I know that my feelings have changed for them, for good or for worse.

I also think this is a bad thing since it can allow the Te type to be stuck on the person, no matter how bad the person becomes, since they will feel the same no matter what happens.

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nanashi

I'm so glad you like some ILIs.
My EII mom mentioned I am surprisingly soft on the inside. I think she's always seen me as a calculating (though noble), cold brain. The tertiary Fi is getting more strongly developed lately. I also find some of her reasoning ignoble because it is not looking at the Ni result of her actions, so I come off as stubborn and sensitive because of that.

I do know some SEEs, SoapofSapphire. Doesn't feel like nearly enough, though. And they are amazing. So sweet and relaxing and interesting. j

I know an ESFP who lives out of the area. I knew I loved his soul within minutes of meeting him. We faltered a bit on getting together, although we were planning to, but he was going through 4 traumatic situations at once and ended up not transferring to my area. :*(

My brother is SEE-Fi, I think; or ISFJ. (Mom's EII. Twin sis is ILI. Dad is very unhealthy, but we've postulated SLI.)


My ENTJ friend's gf is ESFP-FI or ISFJ-Se, but I've only seen her for a few seconds.

I think I know two ESFP-Se guys. We seem mutually attracted but 'off' a bit; I feel thankful for one doing things I was wanting to be done (my computer screen's small on my laptop, and my hyperactive ESFP tutor just starts adjusting it for me while I'm pointing at my screen, and he's getting rid of menu bars, etc.) or I find myself at my ESFP-Se acquaintance's house for 7 hours hanging out. We don't have a lot in common, but he was falling asleep on his other couch after we hung out, and I felt awkward and said I should go, and he woke up quickly and said I didn't have to. He seemed like a little kid and like he really didn't want me to leave. He's an alcoholic and stoner. Def don't need that.

I also know a grandma, mom, and daughter at my work who are prolly ESFP, ISFJ, and ESFP, respectively.


I miss SEEs. :*(

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Galen

Oh trust me, Te types are capable of having their feelings towards people changed. I suppose what determines such changes tend to be much more basic, fundamental things, as opposed to being layered with emotional intricacies and contexts.

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Ashton

Yeah. My feelings towards a person can change, if and when I come to an understanding that my feelings towards that person, be they good or bad, are no longer justifiable. For example, if the person irrecoverably changed and I'm forced to accept that its no longer good for us to associate with one another. Or in the event something surfaces about a person's essential character which forces me to realize that I wasn't seeing them accurately for who they really were.

For me it's more about wanting feelings that don't change, ever. The intangible bonds and loyalties to whom you trust and love, the essential truths and ideals you would live and die for. Why shouldn't they remain immutably true and endure eternally? Anything less seems meaningless. What's the point if its just arbitrary or transient?

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he died with a felafel

^ I think this is more of a Fi/Fe divide, w/Fi being static. Say, if Fi person mentions they'd like to do sth and Fe person sorta dismisses it or downright ridicules it, Fi person will consider it, they'll register it, and take it to heart & will think it'll always be how Fe person (valuer or w/e) feels towards w/e the issue at hand. However, some time later it might emerge Fe person could have easily been swayed on their opinion, or at least the way they feel towards said issue is very flexible indeed.

This doesn't even have to be sth very important. Say, it might concern hanging out w/certain people or not. etc etc .

Anyway, would say it's more related to Fi/Fi valuing than Te (although, they do go hand in hand).
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Re. thread topic: I think Vanessa Redgrave might be ILI...or at least Ni-ego...

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Ashton

Well, it really depends on a lot of contextual factors—what the feeling was about, who the person is, what mood they were in at the time, why they seemed to feel that way, what present situation we were in, what other events were concurrently going on in their life, who they'd been talking to and hanging out with lately… and a myriad of other nuances that would take forever to enumerate and explain.

But yeah, I agree with what I think you're getting at.

Right, I resent haggling with people or "swaying" them over. It feel likes begging. I'd rather just take people at face value in what they say and leave it at that.

Though a problem exists, in that both and tend to falsely interpret one another's stated sentiments in a more absolute sense than what the person communicating usually intended.

Hmm. Any good younger pictures of her?

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Galen

Here are a few that Google turned up:

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Galen

All the Fi seeking in this post is making me giggle haha

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nanashi

I think that middle one is her niece Natasha Richardson

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