cinq

Actually, he's typically the difficult character - well known for being a badass and a rebel. I'm normally quiet and like my space and privacy.

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Pied Piper

Well "difficult character" does not necessarily mean "badass" or "rebel". You appear to be one, IMO, based on what you said and also through interaction, besides distant and boring, a bit resentful and vengeful too. Is he your dual, or do you often get into quarrels based on this?

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cinq

No, he's definitely the more difficult character. I may be difficult at times when I'm motivated and engaged about something, otherwise quiet and pensive. My husband is not my dual. Perhaps I'll discuss my relationship another time.

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nanashi

I have an inclination to protect cinq from what seems a public accusation regarding her personal attributes.

Ashton, I LOVE your inclusion of natalie zea and the others. THANK YOU! All those women are using my facial expressions! I probably sound like a mad person, but it's so rare to see them... feels quiet joy

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Ashton

False character attributions are nothing new on this board, lol. Some of the poor little Ti-ENTps here especially, have yet to understand that they're about the last people in the socion who have any business making claims about the personal makeup of others.

My strategy is to let them believe whatever they want and quietly snicker to myself watching them fumble about blindly.

Aw, thanks. I really appreciate that. And no, I totally know what you mean… seeing my own identicals and recognizing my own movements and expressions in them. It's comfortingly odd.

Do you know of any other possible INTps (female or male)?

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Galen

Really? I always find it a little uncomfortable to find someone who reminds me of myself, probably because I've yet to find many people like me haha.

I think Damian Lewis was brought up once between Sam and me. I used to have John Mulaney on my very short INTp list, although I've come to realize that he VIs a ton like Joe DiMaggio. Also Dylan Moran.

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Ashton

Oh, I dunno. It can be kinda cool to know that there are other people out there, who experience the world in some similar manners. Sort of gives you a sense that, "hey, you're not alone" so to speak.

Yeah, I agree on Damian Lewis. I think that one trickled into my list from you guys. Dylan Moran is also on there as INTp from you bringing him up w/ me before. Not sure on John Mulaney—though I suspect at 1st glance that ENTp is likely correct, as you suggest.

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Pied Piper

Feminism affected the reasoning of both of you.

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"Β had sex with her"
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Capitalist Pig

You just can't help yourself, can you?

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Maritsa33

There should be more Female ILI; you guys are like butter, soft and sweet and oh so yummy.

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nanashi

I bet that's totally an thing because I've heard my ex-boyfriend (IEE) express the same disturbance. I postulate that NTs feel like aliens. Perhaps IEE's intense focus on being "who they truly, really are" (i.e. authentic self) leads them to discomfort should they find someone quite similar to themselves.

And, sorry, Ashton: I only know an ILI female IRL--my twin.
The Equal Rights for Females movement influenced my Fi discomfort with a forum member being labeled 'boring, resentful, and vengeful'? How did you even arrive at the opinion that I was protecting the forum member because she is allegedly a woman, PP?

Maritsa, I have no idea why you think we're as you described, but I'll take all the compliments I can get. My insides are certainly sensitive, but my EII mother is quite aware of my Te.
Yeah...Maritsa, that's not a common response to INTp women. Thank God for Fi temperments I guess, or who else would think that?

I think even other Ts who like me think I'm harsh and refined or straightforward and noble, but soft??? Okay.

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polikujm

Yeah... relating to facial expressions really makes me comforted. Oooh

Because then, you know, I know I'm with my people.

nanashi

It's like confirmation that my natural way of relating and looking at things and people isn't immediately going to be slammed down as too cold, inquisitive, straightforward, autistic, or intimidating

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nanashi

Maybe what I said was difficult to decode (I have complicated sentences), so I'll repeat: I have been inclined to defend male forum members from other people's attacks, just as I was inclined to do in this thread with the female. If there's a problem with that, I don't know what to tell you.

Did I misunderstand your sentence? Were you not labeling a forum user with those adjectives?

I could easily be another gamma who is a man responding this way because of Fi. You think this is because of the feminist movement? Why? Because disliking labeling someone as you seemed to label her is helping a woman? What? I've done this for men on the forum. How is this feminism? Did I stand up for her right to vote for representation? What is going on?

I think this is an ENTP using tertiary Fe vs. an Fi-valuer disliking it thing, PiedPiper.

Or, I could just say you've been brainwashed by "the Masculist movement", or something, I guess.

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Ashton

Your passive-aggressive commentary never ends, does it?

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Capitalist Pig

Be nice to my identicals.

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nanashi

Wow. I know, Polikjum, that my response may have seemed xenophobic.I think I responded to another person just like you have now to me. I'm sorry, other person, whoever you are.

I was not expressing that other groups are bad. I was expressing relief at seeing a face that was doing what I'm normally corrected socially for doing by my INFj mother and others.

It makes sense to be comforted by talking to a hearing person for once if you were raised by Deaf or hearing impaired parents who do not respond with acceptance to you speaking verbally because that's not what they value (there is a movement in the Deaf community who acts this way, so I used it as an example).

it's not like I'm saying I don't get something from being with Deaf people. Delta, Alpha, and Beta types have been my close friends over the last 25 years. It's a psychic relief to be around a Gamma occasionally who values the same quadra values I do.


I'm surrounded by media with women who do not emote like me....it was great to see some who do


Also, how autistic am I that I didn't catch at first that you were not happy with what I said?

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Ashton

No, it was good the 1st time around. You made perfect sense.

Its just the way he is. Don't take it personal or get too caught up in feeling like you have to justify or explain yourself. You're just fine the way you are.

Pretty much.

Or, I suspect he's just trying to rattle people for his own amusement.

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SoapOfSapphire

I have to say I agree w Maritsa on this one -- ILIs can be downright delightful to me. I know a couple of ILIs who are incredibly intelligent as well as funny [love that dark wit], and quite soft on the inside, though few people get to see that. Do you know any SEEs, nanashi?

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polikujm

That's uh, beautiful?

I guess so. It's just a little strange hearing this come from an ILI. We were just talking about how Daria is a stereotypical ILI, and I don't think she would have caught on to your sentiments of how people emotionally express themselves similar to you. This just seems a bit alien to something I know ILIs would think about. But I guess if you really are autistic and have a penchant for such thought, then it makes more sense. And again it is kind of brought about by ashton's method of typing people, and I certainly have thought more about it when I started talking to him, so--it's not a huge problem. It just becomes disturbing when you have more and more people expressing their type like this (and it sounded like you were taking into consideration that they are all somehow your type).