Ashton

Background: The Semantics of the Information Elements

In progress. You must read the above link if you haven't already, else you are liable to be confused and/or post stupid replies. If you still have questions, ask.

These are some quotes compiled over time from people I found interesting in the process of typing them. Selected statements are those I felt demonstrated something that could give insight into "what a function is really like"—something to illustrate the way that individual experiences the world, what the associated thought and emotional processes of that function are in various positions of the psyche (1/2/5/6), its shapes one's motivations and overall outlooks on life, etc.

None of these statements should be considered 'pure' expressions of isolated functions. Real world manifestations of any apparent function in someone will always be colored in part by the other valued functions present in their psyche. Its expected that some statements will be suggestive of 2 or even 3 valued functions simultaneously; I picked the one that seemed most primary to the statement.

Note to morons: Valuing a function vs. using it as an ego function are two different things. Don't confuse them.

I'll be deleting/adding more as I feel like it.

Extroverted Sensing (EOS)

"But with the throttle screwed on, there is only the barest margin, and no room at all for mistakes. It has to be done right… and that's when the strange music starts, when you stretch your luck so far that fear becomes exhilaration and vibrates along your arms. You can barely see at a hundred; the tears blow back so fast that they vaporize before they get to your ears. The only sounds are the wind and a dull roar floating back from the mufflers. You watch the white line and try to lean with it… howling through a turn to the right, then to the left, and down the long hill to Pacifica… letting off now, watching for cops, but only until the next dark stretch and another few seconds on the edge… The Edge… There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. The others- the living- are those who pushed their luck as far as they felt they could handle it, and then pulled back, or slowed down, or did whatever they had to when it came time to choose between Now and Later. But the edge is still Out there. Or maybe it's In. The association of motorcycles with LSD is no accident of publicity. They are both a means to an end, to the place of definitions." - Hunter S. Thompson (Se-ISFj)

"Anything that gets the adrenaline moving like a 440 volt blast in a copper bathtub is good for the reflexes and keeps the veins free of cholesterol… but too many adrenaline rushes in any given time span has the same effect on the nervous system as too many electro-shock treatments are said to have on the brain: after a while you start burning out the circuits. When a jackrabbit gets addicted to road-running, its only a matter of time before he gets smashed—and when a journalist turns into a politics junkie he will sooner or later start raving and babbling in print about things that only a person who has Been There can possibly understand." - Hunter S. Thompson (Se-ISFj)

"Civilization has affected us. We abhor personal encounter. Many a man will risk his life, with an easy mind, in a burning house who would recoil from having his nose punched. We have been taught restraint from our emotions, to look upon anger as low, until many of us have never experienced the God sent ecstasy of unbridled wrath. We have never felt our eyes screw up, our temples throb, and have never had the red mist gather in our sight. But, we expect that a man shall, in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, divest himself of all restraint, of all caution, and hurl himself upon the enemy, a frenzied beast, lusting to probe his enemy's guts with three feet of steel or to shatter his brain with a bullet. Gentlemen, it cannot be done without mental practice. Therefore, you must school yourselves to savagery. You must imagine how it will feel when your sword hilt crashes into the breastbone of your enemy. You must picture the wild exaltation of the mounted charge when the lips are drawn back into a snarl and the voice cracks with a passion. At one time, you must be both a wise man and a fool." - George S. Patton (Ni-ENTj)

"I don't want to get any messages saying, I am holding my position. We are not holding a Goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like shit through a tin horn!" - George S. Patton (Ni-ENTj)

"And my own affairs were as bad, as dismal, as the day I had been born. The only difference was that now I could drink now and then, though never often enough. Drink was the only thing that kept a man from feeling forever stunned and useless. Everything else just kept picking and picking, hacking away. And nothing was interesting, nothing. The people were restrictive and careful, all alike. And I've got to live with these fuckers for the rest of my life, I thought. God, they all had assholes and sexual organs and their mouths and their armpits. They shit and they chattered and they were dull as horse dung. The girls looked good from a distance, the sun shining through their dresses, their hair. But get up close and listen to their minds running out of their mouths, you felt like digging in under a hill and hiding out with a tommy-gun. I would certainly never be able to be happy, to get married, I could never have children. Hell, I couldn't even get a job as a dishwasher." - Charles Bukowski (Se-ESFp)

"One could sit still and look at life from the air; that was it. And I was conscious again of the fundamental magic of flying, a miracle that has nothing to do with any of its practical purposes—speed, accessibility, and convenience—and will not change as they change. Looking down from the air that morning, I felt that stillness rested like a light over the earth. What motion there was took on a slow grace, like slow-motion pictures which catch the moment of outstretched beauty that one cannot see in life itself, so swiftly does it move. And if flying, like a glass-bottomed bucket, can give you that vision, that seeing eye, which peers down to the still world below the choppy waves—it will always remain magic." - Anne Morrow Lindbergh (Fi-ESFp)

"To explain the lure of speed you would have to explain human nature; but it is easier understood than explained. All men in all ages have beggared themselves for fast horses or camels or ships or cars or bikes or aeroplanes: all men have strained themselves dry to run or walk or swim faster. Speed is the second oldest animal craving in our nature, and our generation is fortunate in being able to indulge it more cheaply and generally than our ancestors. Evey natural man cultivates the speed that appeals to him. I have a motor-bike income." - T. E. Lawrence (Ni-ENTj)

"White flower with the golden heart is something. I have to say about White—quite different from what White has been meaning to me. Whether the flower or the color is the focus I do not know. I do know that the flower is painted large to convey to you my experience of the flower—and what is my experience of the flower if it is not color… Color is one of the greatest things in the world that makes life worth living to me and as I have come to think of painting, it is my effort to create an equivalent with paint color for the world—life as I see it." - Georgia O'Keeffe (Se-ISFj)

Introverted Intuition (IFD)

Extroverted Thinking (EOD)

"The criterion of truth is that it works even if nobody is prepared to acknowledge it." - Ludwig von Mises (Te-INTp)

"Directly, voluntary action—free exchange—leads to the mutual benefit of both parties to the exchange. Indirectly, as our investigations have shown, the network of these free exchanges in society—known as the ‘free market’—creates a delicate and even awe-inspiring mechanism of harmony, adjustment, and precision in allocating productive resources, deciding upon prices, and gently but swiftly guiding the economic system toward the greatest possible satisfaction of the desires of all the consumers. In short, not only does the free market directly benefit all parties and leave them free and uncoerced; it also creates a mighty and efficient instrument of social order. Proudhon, indeed, wrote better than he knew when he called ‘Liberty, the mother, not the daughter, of order’." - Murray Rothbard (Te-ENTj)

"… For several years I sat at the little kindergarten table-top ruled by lines about four inches apart each way making four-inch squares; and, among other things, played upon these unit-lines with the square (cube), the circle (sphere) and the triangle (tetrahedron or tripod)—these were smooth maple wood blocks. Scarlet cardboard triangle (60˚–30˚) two inches on the short side, and one side white, were smooth triangular sections with which to come by pattern—design—by my own imagination… The virtue of all this lay in the awakening of the child-mind to rhythmic structure in Nature—giving the child a sense of innate cause-and-effect otherwise beyond child-comprehension. I soon became susceptible to constructive pattern evolving in everything I saw. I learned to see this way and when I did, I did not care to draw causal incidentals of Nature. I wanted to design." - Frank Lloyd Wright (Te-INTp)

"There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change. It is: To use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wounds, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time." - George S. Patton (Ni-ENTj)

"It may be of interest to future generals to realize that one makes plans to fit the circumstances, and does not try to create circumstances to fit plans." - George S. Patton (Ni-ENTj)

"If God has made the world a perfect mechanism, He has at least conceded so much to our imperfect intellect that in order to predict little parts of it, we need not solve innumerable differential equations, but can use dice with fair success." - Max Born (Ni-INTp)

"The question of whether the waves are something 'real' or a function to describe and predict phenomena in a convenient way is a matter of taste. I personally like to regard a probability wave, even in 3N-dimensional space, as a real thing, certainly as more than a tool for mathematical calculations… Quite generally, how could we rely on probability predictions if by this notion we do not refer to something real and objective?" - Max Born (Ni-INTp)

[to Einstein] "No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical." - Niels Bohr (Te-INTp)

"It is the worst of all superstitions to assume that the epistemological characteristics of one branch of knowledge must necessarily be applicable to any other branch." - Ludwig von Mises (Te-INTp)


Introverted Feeling (IFS)

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“If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery—isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flamme with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is.” — Charles Bukowski

jxrtes

I've typed T.E. Lawrence and Hunter S. Thompson as ENFj. Patton is a very clear ESTp in my opinion, especially in the film portrayal.

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Ashton

There's nothing remotely Lawrence's writing. Large tracts of Seven Pillars are veritable bloodlettings of whenever he delves into discussing the historical backgrounds and geographical contexts.

His semantic patterns fit definitively with what is described of and .

Patton doesn't talk like an ego. Everything he ever says is spoken of abstractly and/or in reference to some idea. He never actually speaks from a vantage point of direct experience like egos will tend to do.

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“If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery—isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flamme with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is.” — Charles Bukowski

jxrtes

How's that?

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labcoat

Patton: "any plan that is excecuted violently and immediately beats a perfect one that is delayed".

ESTp mentality in a nutshell.

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INTj
SOCIONICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

Ashton

You're not looking thoroughly enough.

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“If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery—isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flamme with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is.” — Charles Bukowski

labcoat

no u

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INTj
SOCIONICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

Ashton

One statement like that in isolation isn't all that significant.

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“If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery—isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flamme with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is.” — Charles Bukowski

labcoat

How do you end up mentioning him twice in the Se section when his Se is supposed to be "weak"?

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INTj
SOCIONICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

Ashton

Any # of reasons. Perhaps a greater quantity of written material exists by said person, perhaps their statements tend to be more frequently published and readily accessible, or perhaps it was mere chance exposure that I happened to come across 2 excerpts as opposed to 1 or 0. Etc.

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“If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery—isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flamme with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is.” — Charles Bukowski

labcoat

The simpler explanation is that he just made Se-ish statements a lot, and made them convicingly to the point he got remember for them. And the simplest explanation of this is that Se was a very strong function to him rather than just something valued but weak.

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INTj
SOCIONICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

Ashton

Which begs the question of whether said statements are indicative of ego at all—I would argue they are not, the crux of which I already explained in a previous reply. Also, to accept this "simpler explanation" as true would mean forsaking the greater volume of written material strongly suggestive of and .

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“If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery—isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flamme with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is.” — Charles Bukowski

Pied Piper

I disagree, I think that's Ej, not only that SLEs are thoughtful and tactical, IMO, but it's dishonorable for them to base their success on brute force.

Combined with the blunt remarks of him that Ashton has quoted - disregard towards vision and complexity of ideas, that makes him an LSE, IMO. Because of that disregard and his insistence on such simplistic hands-on approach as the only or best solution, I can't see him LIE. LIE is the opposite in this respect, it sticks to a big picture, big idea, the "smart" idea, where these details are unimportant, vulgar, avoided if possible.

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Shock Intuition, Diamond Logic
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"Δ slept with her"
"Γ made love to her"
"Β had sex with her"
"Α fu**ed her"

labcoat

The suggestion that an ESTj would be more likely to resort to a brute force approach than an ESTp is beyond ridiculous and completely removed from anything that has ever been said about the two types.

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INTj
SOCIONICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

Pied Piper

You're misguided, SLEs are calm, tactical, focused on weak points or methods of great impact, again some common-sense socionics you force me to argue about. They are problem-solvers and there is nothing an SLE would praise more than a fine tactician.

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Shock Intuition, Diamond Logic
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"Δ slept with her"
"Γ made love to her"
"Β had sex with her"
"Α fu**ed her"

labcoat

None of what you quoted even adresses the issue.

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INTj
SOCIONICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

Marie84

This
not too sure on Thompson but from what I've read Beta something makes sense

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EII INFj
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Ashton

Do any of you actually bother to research people with at least some eye for detail when making opinions of their type? It seems like you just haphazardly jump to stereotyped conclusions based only on cursory information at best.

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“If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery—isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flamme with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is.” — Charles Bukowski

Ashton

I'm not yet sure of an ideal way to organize all this information so that its best adapted to the constraints of a forum. For now I'll just dump all this information, maybe later I'll have a better solution

Observed Themes of Introverted Intuition: Acceptance of uncertainty, unpredictability, irreducibility, and incompleteness as being inherent to reality itself. Perceptions on the evolution of emergent processes and spontaneous order. Awareness of intangible phenomena and underlying intrinsic qualities. Portrayal of abstract ideas and concepts as dynamic and holistically interconnected. Attributions of homeorhesis and the unfolding destiny of things. Recognition of innate archetypal patterns and the nature of their existence across time.

“Intellect distinguishes between the possible and the impossible; reason distinguishes between the sensible and the senseless. Even the possible can be senseless.” –Max Born (Ni-INTp)

“There are two objectionable types of believers: those who believe the incredible and those who believe that 'belief' must be discarded and replaced by 'the scientific method'.” –Max Born (Ni-INTp)

“I believe there is no philosophical highroad in science, with epistemological signposts. No, we are in a jungle and find our way by trial and error, building our road behind us as we proceed.” –Max Born (Ni-INTp)

“It is odd to think that there is a word for something which, strictly speaking, does not exist, namely, rest. We distinguish between living and dead matter; between moving bodies and bodies at rest. This is a primitive point of view. What seems dead, a stone or the proverbial door-nail, say, is actually forever in motion. We have merely become accustomed to judge by outward appearances; by the deceptive impressions we get through our senses.” –Max Born (Ni-INTp)

“The ultimate origin of the difficulty lies in the fact (or philosophical principle) that we are compelled to use the words of common language when we wish to describe a phenomenon, not by logical or mathematical analysis, but by a picture appealing to the imagination. Common language has grown by everyday experience and can never surpass these limits. Classical physics has restricted itself to the use of concepts of this kind; by analysing visible motions it has developed two ways of representing them by elementary processes; moving particles and waves. There is no other way of giving a pictorial description of motions—we have to apply it even in the region of atomic processes, where classical physics breaks down.” –Max Born (Ni-INTp)

“Personally I am very pessimistic. But when, for instance, one of my staff has a baby you can't help but bless them for a good future. Because I can't tell that child, 'Oh, you shouldn't have come into this life.' And yet I know the world is heading in a bad direction. So with those conflicting thoughts in mind, I think about what kind of films I should be making.” –Hayao Miyazaki (Ni-INTp)

“Well, yes. I believe that children's souls are the inheritors of historical memory from previous generations. It's just that as they grow older and experience the everyday world that memory sinks lower and lower. I feel I need to make a film that reaches down to that level. If I could do that I would die happy.” –Hayao Miyazaki (Ni-INTp)

“In nature, as an organism evolves it increases in complexity and it also becomes a more compact or miniaturized system. Similarly a city should function as a living system. Arcology, architecture and ecology as one integral process, is capable of demonstrating positive response to the many problems of urban civilization, population, pollution, energy and natural resource depletion, food scarcity and quality of life. Arcology recognizes the necessity of the radical reorganization of the sprawling urban landscape into dense, integrated, three-dimensional cities in order to support the complex activities that sustain human culture. The city is the necessary instrument for the evolution of humankind.” –Paolo Soleri (Ni-INTp)

“The artist's world is limitless. It can be found anywhere, far from where he lives or a few feet away. It is always on his doorstep.” –Paul Strand (Ni-INTp)

“A work of art is an attempt to experience the universe as a whole. One cannot analyze or dissect it into parts and comment on it without destroying its intrinsic character.” –Ludwig von Mises (Te-INTp)

“It is a hopeless task to interpret a symphony, a painting, or a novel. The interpreter at best tries to tell us something about his reaction to the work… There are no words to describe the ineffable.” –Ludwig von Mises (Te-INTp)

“Understanding is always based on incomplete knowledge.” –Ludwig von Mises (Te-INTp)

“One of the fundamental conditions of mans existence and action is the fact that he does not know what will happen in the future.” –Ludwig von Mises (Te-INTp)

“In life everything is continually in flux.” –Ludwig von Mises (Te-INTp)

“There is in the universe something for the description and analysis of which the natural sciences cannot contribute anything. There are events beyond the range of those events that the procedures of the natural sciences are fit to observe and describe. There is human action.” –Ludwig von Mises (Te-INTp)

/ “Value is not intrinsic; it is not in things. It is within us; it is the way in which man reacts to the conditions of his environment.” –Ludwig von Mises (Te-INTp)

“The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.” –Niels Bohr (Te-INTp)

“How wonderful that we have met with a paradox. Now we have some hope of making progress!” –Niels Bohr (Te-INTp)

“Every sentence I utter must be understood not as an affirmation, but as a question.” –Niels Bohr (Te-INTp)

“For a parallel to the lesson of atomic theory regarding the limited applicability of such customary idealizations, we must in fact turn to quite other branches of science, such as psychology, or even to that kind of epistemological problems with which already thinkers like Buddha and Lao Tsu have been confronted, when trying to harmonize our position as spectators and actors in the great drama of existence.” –Niels Bohr (Te-INTp)

/ “A spontaneous order is a system which has developed not through the central direction or patronage of one or a few individuals but through the unintended consequences of the decisions of myriad individuals each pursuing their own interests through voluntary exchange, cooperation, and trial and error. This process of spontaneous evolution is not restricted to explaining the growth of the economic order but can also account for the development of language, money, culture, law, social conventions and even morals and ethics. Although the spontaneous order develops through individuals pursuing their own interest, the individuals still behave by following commonly held rules rather than by acting in a random fashion, and these rules are themselves the product of evolution.” –Friedrich A. Hayek (Te-INTp)

/ “Many of the greatest things man has achieved are not the result of consciously directed thought, and still less the product of a deliberately coordinated effort of many individuals, but of a process in which the individual plays a part which he can never fully understand.” –Friedrich A. Hayek (Te-INTp)

“The further a mathematical theory is developed, the more harmoniously and uniformly does its construction proceed, and unsuspected relations are disclosed between hitherto separated branches of the science.” –David Hilbert (Te-INTp)

“No other question has ever moved so profoundly the spirit of man; no other idea has so fruitfully stimulated his intellect; yet no other concept stands in greater need of clarification than that of the infinite.” –David Hilbert (Te-INTp)

“The art of doing mathematics consists in finding that special case which contains all the germs of generality.” –David Hilbert (Te-INTp)

“Mathematical science is in my opinion an indivisible whole, an organism whose vitality is conditioned upon the connection of its parts.” –David Hilbert (Te-INTp)

“It is impossible to speak in such a way that you cannot be misunderstood.” –Karl Popper (Te-INTp)

“In photography there is a reality so subtle that it becomes more real than reality.” –Alfred Stieglitz (Te-INTp)

“You will find as you go through life that if you ask what a thing means, a picture, or music, or whatever, you may learn something about the people you ask, but as for learning about the thing you seek to know, you will have sense it in the end through your own experience, so that you had better save your energy and not go through the world asking what cannot be communicated in words. If the artist could describe in words what he does, then he never would have created it.” –Alfred Stieglitz (Te-INTp)

“Form follows function—that has been misunderstood. Form and function should be one, joined in a spiritual union.” –Frank Lloyd Wright (Te-INTp)

“Space. The continual becoming: invisible fountain from which all rhythms flow and to which they must pass. Beyond time or infinity.” –Frank Lloyd Wright (Te-INTp)

“A modern building may reasonably be a plastic whole—an integral matter of three dimensions: a child of the imagination more free than of yore, owing nothing to ‘orders’ or ‘styles… Plastic treatments are always out of the thing, never something put on it. The quality of the third dimension is found in this sense of depth that enters into the thing to develop into an expression of its nature… In this architecture of the third dimension ‘plastic’ effects are usually produced from this sense of the within.” –Frank Lloyd Wright (Te-INTp)

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“If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery—isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flamme with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is.” — Charles Bukowski

Ashton

“All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. This I did.” –T. E. Lawrence (Ni-ENTj)

“… but if you can get the right book at the right time you taste joys not only bodily, physical, but spiritual also, which pass one out above and beyond one's miserable self, as it were through huge air, following the light of another man's thought. And you can never be quite the old self again. You have forgotten a little bit: or rather pushed it out with a little of the inspiration of what is immortal in someone who has gone before you.” –T. E. Lawrence (Ni-ENTj)

“A man must know his destiny… if he does not recognize it, then he is lost. By this I mean, once, twice, or at the very most, three times, fate will reach out and tap a man on the shoulder… if he has the imagination, he will turn around and fate will point out to him what fork in the road he should take, if he has the guts, he will take it.” –George S. Patton (Ni-ENTj)

“Despite the oceans of ink and years of thought which have been devoted to the elucidation of war, it's secrets still remain shrouded in mystery. Indeed, it is due largely to the very volume of available information that the veil is so thick. War is an art and as such it is not susceptible to explanation by fixed formulae. Yet, from the earliest time there has been an unending effort to subject it's complex and emotional structure to dissection, to enunciate rules for it's waging, to make tangible it's intangibility. One might as well attempt to isolate the soul by the dissection of a cadaver as to seek the essence of war by the analysis of it's records.” –George S. Patton (Ni-ENTj)

“I believe that for a man to become a great soldier it is necessary for him to be so thoroughly conversant with all sorts of military possibilities that whenever an occasion arises, he has at hand, without effort on his part, a parallel. To attain this end, I believe that it is necessary for a man to begin to read military history in it's earliest and crudest form and to follow it down in natural sequence, permitting his mind to grow with his subject until he can grasp, without any effort, the most abstract question of the Science of War because he is already permeated with it's elements.” –George S. Patton (Ni-ENTj)

“Through the murk of fact and fable rises to our view this one truth; the history of war is the history of warriors; few in number but mighty in influence. Alexander, not Macedonia, conquered the world. Scipio, not Rome, destroyed Carthage. Marlborough, not the Allies, defeated France. Cromwell, not the Roundheads, dethroned Charles.” –George S. Patton (Ni-ENTj)

“I wonder if I could have been here before as I drive up the Roman road the Theater seems familiar—perhaps I headed a legion up that same white road… I passed a chateau in ruins which I possibly helped escalade in the middle ages. There is no proof nor yet any denial. We were, We are, and we will be.” –George S. Patton (Ni-ENTj)

“We promised the Europeans freedom. It would be worse than dishonorable not to see they have it. This might mean war with the Russians, but what of it? They have no Air Force anymore, their gasoline and ammunition supplies are low. I've seen their miserable supply trains; mostly wagons draw by beaten up old horses or oxen. I'll say this; the Third Army alone with very little help and with damned few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don't ever forget them. Someday we will have to fight them and it will take six years and cost us six million lives.” –George S. Patton (Ni-ENTj)

“We are at war between consciousness and nature, between the desire for permanence and the fact of flux. It is ourself against ourselves.” –Alan Watts (Te-ENTj)

“I find in working always the disturbing intrusion of elements not a part of my most interested vision, and the inevitable obliteration and replacement of this vision by the work itself as it proceeds.” –Edward Hopper (Te-ENTj)

“I believe strongly in everyone's right to defend themselves by every means necessary… you are affected as a writer and a person by the culture and spirit of the times. I was tuned into it then, I'm tuned into it now. None of us are immune to the spirit of the age. It affects us whether we know it or whether we like it or not.” –Bob Dylan (Se-ISFj)

“I see pictures of the '50s, the '60s and the 70s and I see there was a difference. But I don't think the human mind can comprehend the past and the future. They are both just illusions that can manipulate you into thinking there's some kind of change. But after you've been around awhile, they both seem unnatural.” –Bob Dylan (Se-ISFj)

“It seems like we're going in a straight line, but then you start seeing things that you've seen before. Haven't you experienced that? It seems we're going around in circles.” –Bob Dylan (Se-ISFj)

“I'd come from a long ways off and had started a long ways down. But now destiny was about to manifest itself. I felt like it was looking right at me and nobody else.” –Bob Dylan (Se-ISFj)

“People today are still living off the table scraps of the sixties. They are still being passed around—the music and the ideas.” –Bob Dylan (Se-ISFj)

/ “Nothing is less real than realism… Details are confusing. It is only by selection, by elimination, by emphasis, that we get at the real meaning of things.” –Georgia O'Keeffe (Se-ISFj)

“There are times, however, and this is one of them, when even being right feels wrong. What do you say, for instance, about a generation that has been taught that rain is poison and sex is death? If making love might be fatal and if a cool spring breeze on any summer afternoon can turn a crystal blue lake into a puddle of black poison right in front of your eyes, there is not much left except TV and relentless masturbation. It's a strange world. Some people get rich and others eat shit and die. Who knows? If there is in fact, a heaven and a hell, all we know for sure is that hell will be a viciously overcrowded version of Phoenix; a clean well lighted place full of sunshine and bromides and fast cars where almost everybody seems vaguely happy, except those who know in their hearts what is missing… And being driven slowly and quietly into the kind of terminal craziness that comes with finally understanding that the one thing you want is not there. Missing. Back-ordered. No tengo. Vaya con dios. Grow up! Small is better. Take what you can get…” –Hunter S. Thompson (Se-ISFj)

“There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning… And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave… So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.” –Hunter S. Thompson (Se-ISFj)

“Myths and legends die hard in America. We love them for the extra dimension they provide, the illusion of near-infinite possibility to erase the narrow confines of most men's reality. Weird heroes and mould-breaking champions exist as living proof to those who need it that the tyranny of the rat race is not yet final.” –Hunter S. Thompson (Se-ISFj)

“It is the duty of youth to bring fresh new powers to bear on Social progress. Each generation of young people should be to the world like a vast reserve force to a tired army. They should life the world forward. That is what they are for.” –Charlotte Perkins Gilman (Fi-ISFj)

“I'm for mystery, not interpretive answers… The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer, but they think they have. So they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer.” –Ken Kesey (Fi-ESFp)

“I believe that with the advent of acid, we discovered a new way to think, and it has to do with piecing together new thoughts in your mind. Why is it that people think it's so evil? What is it about it that scares people so deeply, even the guy that invented it, what is it? Because they're afraid that there's more to reality than they have confronted. That there are doors that they're afraid to go in, and they don't want us to go in there either, because if we go in we might learn something that they don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control.” –Ken Kesey (Fi-ESFp)

“My introduction to spirituality was through my grandmother and she's always been a very calm, peaceful, centered woman that was something that I admired and aspired to. I've created my own concept that differed from my grandmother's but it's a concept of the basic elements of treating people nice and the metaphysics of karma; if you do something good then something good will happen to you. If you do something bad, probably something bad is gonna happen. There's certain rules of the universe that intuitively I always felt really in tune with.” –Will Smith (Fi-ESFp)

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“If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery—isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flamme with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is.” — Charles Bukowski