Joy

I know a couple ISTps, an old boyfriend and my mom, who are extremely outgoing. I was really scratching my head about their types for a while, until Peter said that my mom is INTp. INTp doesn't make sense for her because she has shitty Ni, but I suggested ISTp and he agreed. Later she tested ISTp, and the more I learn about socionics, the most sense it makes. The other one tested ISTp and said that the description fits him very well. I compared his behavior to my mom's and it all made sense...

Both of these ISTps are very outgoing. They try to be sun shiney and very friendly, but it's horribly awkward and embarassing and they are generally not well liked. My mom has a bit of an easier time because she has friends from church who do the fake sunshiney thing as well to some extent and really relate to her, like an INFj (she's also good friends with his ENFp wife).

The 4th function is a conscious function... it's one we can use but cannot control. There are a lot of people who overcompensate for their 4th function, and these two are perfect examples.

Has anyone else observed this behavior in ISTps?

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Sniper Kitten

I kinda used to be like that. I live in a very outgoing environment, and I would force myself to be “sun shiney and very friendly” with everyone; but like you said it was rather awkward; because it didn’t come natural to me.
It wasn’t until I found out about socionics and MBTI that I decided to quit the bs and just be myself.

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FDG

I know a very outgoing Si subt istp. More outgoing than me for sure. He's well liked too.

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Rocky

Me exactly.

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IcEPiCk

Yaah the outgoing ISTPs rule

ENFPs can still occasionally intimidate me into iceY mode...

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How do they intimidate you?

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Off to the moral high ground.

IcEPiCk

I dunno they dont so much anymore, but enfps can make super super aggressive moves sometimes that make you feel like you cant do anything but freeze and hope for the best.

Hope that makes sense.

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mikemex

Yeah, that's true, unfortunately. ISTp are said to be overly self confident, but that's not quite true in my experience. I've seen my ISTp friend feel threatened by me several times.

It sometimes happens when we have diffrenet points of view about a topic. Mostly when his knowledge about something is practical and mine theoretical. If he says something and I start questioning his logic, he seems to freeze or become aggresive. ISTp are not very good with abstract stuff and they feel intimidated when someone discusses it with them.

More than once my friend has asked me to explain him something abstract and I suppose he sees me as a figure of authority in some areas.

Also, I suppose ISTp feel threatened by the ENFp because we notice many things they manage to hide to other people.

Finally, we at times have a corrosive sense of humor...

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Topaz

Bingo! Ive noticed that too. With ISTPs I know, we have a secret dialogue of movements and eye contact and inner understanding. The longer we associate the more in tune our understanding becomes. They seem to like it and feel weird about it at the same time because it makes them feel vulnerable. One ISTP I know will try to stay away if he is planning something he doesnt want me to know about. He knows that I will see right through him. I dont share that kind of information with anyone though. Its not my place to do so. Its personal and private.

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jessica129

And i'd really love to know why I only attract those types. I end up feeling pathetic when they talk to me because they'll go on a 20 minute conversation on the meaning of life and i'll idiotically respond with a " ...uhhhh okay...." and that's the end of that, haha. Conversation is overrated.

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meatburger

I can only talk for myself but yes i could change my life plan on a dime. Maybe if i was with the right girl i could consider settling down. At this point in time buying a house / starting a life in a certian area seems unappealing. Theres too many things that i could do

I do think things through though so i would give it as much thought as i believed it warranted.

The two ISTp guys i know are more Outgoing than me. My good friend isn't brilliant with people but the other one everyone seems to like naturally.

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Topaz

I used to be like that, (or at least seem like that) One reason it seemed like that was because I may not have discussed what I was planning on doing with anyone. I just discussed their stuff and if they never bothered asking me I might have forgot to tell them where I was mentally. I think in part is because I dont want someone talking me out of something I really want to do, so I just dont bring it up. Especially because Im usually sorting through the details in my mind. For example I havent mentioned it to my landlord that Im thinking about moving because in January I start school again. Im not sure if I'll be able to swing the rent. I havent nailed down another place to stay yet but I need to right away. If I procrastinate too long its going to be a shock to them when I say I gotta bounce. They have been super nice to me so I want to break it to them easy. I might have to stick around for a little longer than I really wanted. I never like to leave places on bad terms or hurt feelings.

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meatburger

I was just in the shower thinking about this. The ISTp's i know that are my age also seem a little scattered about their life plans.

For instance the ISTp friend of mine told me yesterday that he might move into a granny flat on the river, then he said a bit later he wanted to move out with his friend up in the hills. Then i mentioned to him i wouldn't mind living in England and he said "lets do it". I looked at his wall and he had a do to list and one of his items was "move to tasmania"

Another ISTp girl i talked to on the net said she wanted to move to the south of france and live there. About a month later she moved to Fiji following this guy she likes. I dont know if Fiji would be a good place to live atm though

So i dunno ISTp's also seem a little restless too

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baydog

I know several istps that are outgoing. I think when they 1st meet people they try to size them up to figure what they are all about. I use to work along side one and we use to talk and joke about observations of people and situations all day long( we worked in a job that we had to deal with people all day long. We thought along similar lines so we come up with the same conclusions alot on things. I work with a guy now thats an istp and he is real outgoing.I had a roommate when i was in the military that was an istp and he was real outgoing and outspoken. They are very well liked and popular and respected among everyone one. They are also physically dominate and can be intimidating if the situtation calls for it but are not bullies like the esfp or estp can be at times especially during childhood.(esfp's are more hot tempered ,estps are more calculating from what i observed from my circle of friends and family and acquaintances) Many of the outgoing ones are very outspoken types also i notice. I noticed they are very intuned to people's feelings also. They are also very compassionite people. You can see that it is from their heart. Istp's like to joke around laugh and like people to joke around aslo. I think a lot depends if they grew up in a large family or and around lot of people during early childhood that determimes their outgoingness.

Joy

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Mariella

My ISTp husband moved to the US from Australia after knowing me not that long. Is it weirder because it's Fiji?

Joy

was he WITH you at the time though, or did he just like you?

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SenoritaC

this is an interesting thread, any more impressions now that its been a few years??

WorkaholicsAnon

The ISTp I know always struck me as very outgoing. MUCH more so than me (as other IEEs here have also apparently experienced). Very self confident, can talk easily, fluently, think of witty things to say in a microsecond on his feet. To the point that I spent about 6 months considering him SLE and myself IEI (converting from MBTI was also involved in my GROSS mistypings, as well as probably my inherent IEE-ness). As I got more and more into the socionics theory and discussing my interactions with him with the beta quadra, many aspects just didn't seem to fit or make sense with those typings. When the typings changed to SLI and IEE, suddenly it ALL made sense. Everything.

Like some others here have said about ISTp's they know, this guy is VERY well liked. He even joked at one point that girls get withdrawal symptoms from him, and frankly. . .it's true.

Topaz' description of his/her interaction with an SLI describes my interaction with this SLI perfectly:

. . .and was very different from interactions he (or I for that matter) had with most other people.

I also got the feeling that he was intimidated by me. And he probably has reason to feel that way. I am better than him in many ways Though he is so great in many ways I wish I were--I dont need or want someone perfect.

I also unleashed a series of pretty aggressive moves lately (heck maybe i was being "aggressive" before without realizing it), including a full confession of my attraction to him. Unfortunately he decided to pursue a more simple relationship with a probable SEE or SLE before I did so. Perhaps it's part of the SLIs' "bulk analysis". . .whatever He is risking that I find another SLI whom I like more in the meantime while he comes to the realization that his extinguishment or mirage relationship isn't all that. . .

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