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Ryu · 03-20-2010, 05:33 PM

how did that happen?

Ryu · 03-20-2010, 05:50 PM

how did you switch from ESTJ to INFJ?

...by the way...
"I scored my dual on the MBTI...ESTj (I took it when I was 23)...then I retook it and got my own type (at 28)."

that sentence is not accurate.
The whole point of the lower case final letter is to designate socionics from MBTI. So you cannot score ESTj on an MBTI test ; you can score ESTJ.

It's a 'minor point', but, I think it's important in helping people understand the difference between MBTI and socionics.

Ryu · 03-20-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritsa33

They ought to be the same so I don't have to remember such minute pointless detail.

I don't like that attitude

Mariella · 03-20-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritsa33

NO INFj would like profanity

Here, again, is a way you get into trouble. There is no such thing as "no" when it comes to people. People are complicated, and there are always exceptions. And, again, in typing you focus on tiny little details like this instead of focusing on who someone is overall.

Maritsa33 · 03-20-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryu

I don't like that attitude

It's not an attitude.

Maritsa33 · 03-20-2010, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mariella

Here, again, is a way you get into trouble. There is no such thing as "no" when it comes to people. People are complicated, and there are always exceptions. And, again, in typing you focus on tiny little details like this instead of focusing on who someone is overall.

INFj's make up less then 1 percent of the total human population, I am proof of one and so are my three latest friends, and we can tell you that we don't use profanity except in one place...really.

This is part of a moral system, an idealistic structure of value of relationships and people above words that hurt or harm...why can't people understand this?

Mariella · 03-20-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritsa33

INFj's make up less then 1 percent of the total human population,.

Why do you assume that?

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Originally Posted by Maritsa33

I am proof of one.

LOL, no you aren't.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa33

and so are my three latest friends,.

Based on the typings I've seen from you, I feel no confidence in this.

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Originally Posted by Maritsa33

and we can tell you that we don't use profanity except in one place...really.

Even if you were right about these typings, you cant' extrapolate from a few people an assumption about minor details of every other person of that type.

Ryu · 03-20-2010, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritsa33

INFj's make up less then 1 percent of the total human population, I am proof of one and so are my three latest friends, and we can tell you that we don't use profanity except in one place...really

The bedroom or the divorce court?

Mariella · 03-20-2010, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mariella

Why do you assume that?

Simple mathematics and genetics...N is a rare genetic tendency...everyone knows that...here's another proof here:

"(Approximately 1% of American population)"

If there were more of us, I am sure the world would be a kinder place.

Huh? Why do you assume "N is a rare genetic tendency" and no, everyone does not "know" that (the word you're looking for is "believe" btw), and where does this other thing come from?

Ryu · 03-20-2010, 06:43 PM

I was talking about the location that you would use profanity..

Mariella · 03-20-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritsa33

Everywhere. Do the math in biology and genetics, if a rare gene is recessive then it can not exceed more then 25% of occurance; for two S types, who get married, to have an N type baby, someone in either side of their ancestry must be N.

Mendelian inheritance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Biology Project

There are a whole slew of assumptions behind this. That type is genetic, that it's genetic in that way (S vs N, one gene each, S being dominant, etc.), that it's entirely genetic with no other influences.

**MatthewZ** · 03-20-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritsa33

Everywhere. Do the math in biology and genetics, if a rare gene is recessive then it can not exceed more then 25% of occurance; for two S types, who get married, to have an N type baby, someone in either side of their ancestry must be N.

Mendelian inheritance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Biology Project

S is the dominent gene.

That's operating under a number of unprovable assumptions. Namely, that N and S are largely or completely determined by genetics, that they are controlled at a single gene location, and there is an equal distribution of each gene in the world's population. (although, as you correctly concluded would be true IF your assumptions were valid, the two would not have equal expression)

Furthermore, even if all of your assumptions were true, it would be fallacious to state "for two S types, who get married, to have an N type baby, someone in either side of their ancestry must be N." Put simply, such a statement would imply that the first N-type person had an N-type ancestor, but that contradicts the given that such a person was the first N, and therefore cannot be true.

Mariella · 03-20-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritsa33

You really havn't been dualize have you?
BR

My eyes are going to roll out of my head.

Ryu · 03-20-2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mariella

My eyes are going to roll out of my head.

Ryu · 03-20-2010, 06:56 PM

new page: don't forget to tell us what your MBTI Type is.

I'm trying to figure out if MBTI would actually say I'm ENTJ as opposed to ESTJ.

Mariella · 03-20-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritsa33

Provided that humans started off with a set handfull of people this would all be very likely.
The two do not have equal expression.
I have to admit, honestly, I have never seen two S types have and N baby.

My ESE/SEI grandparents have 8 kids, about half of whom seem to be Ns.

Maritsa33 · 03-20-2010, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mariella

My ESE/SEI grandparents have 8 kids, about half of whom seem to be Ns.

VI only, remember N's have a vision deal.

Maritsa33 · 03-20-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryu

new page: don't forget to tell us what your MBTI Type is.

I'm trying to figure out if MBTI would actually say I'm ENTJ as opposed to ESTJ.

You're ESTj

Lobo · 03-20-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mariella

My eyes are going to roll out of my head.

lol, yeah.

Mariella · 03-20-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritsa33

VI only, remember N's have a vision deal.

You need to get over this VI thing and look at people's personalities a bit when trying to figure out their personality type.

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03-20-2010, 05:33 PM	#321 (permalink)
Ryu Why do you want to understand? Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: zavershitelem Enneatype: 8w9 Sociotype: LSE Posts: 9,040 Blog Entries: 48	how did that happen?

03-20-2010, 05:50 PM	#322 (permalink)
Ryu Why do you want to understand? Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: zavershitelem Enneatype: 8w9 Sociotype: LSE Posts: 9,040 Blog Entries: 48	how did you switch from ESTJ to INFJ? ...by the way... "I scored my dual on the MBTI...ESTj (I took it when I was 23)...then I retook it and got my own type (at 28)." that sentence is not accurate. The whole point of the lower case final letter is to designate socionics from MBTI. So you cannot score ESTj on an MBTI test ; you can score ESTJ. It's a 'minor point', but, I think it's important in helping people understand the difference between MBTI and socionics.

03-20-2010, 06:43 PM	#330 (permalink)
Ryu Why do you want to understand? Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: zavershitelem Enneatype: 8w9 Sociotype: LSE Posts: 9,040 Blog Entries: 48	I was talking about the location that you would use profanity..

03-20-2010, 06:56 PM	#335 (permalink)
Ryu Why do you want to understand? Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: zavershitelem Enneatype: 8w9 Sociotype: LSE Posts: 9,040 Blog Entries: 48	new page: don't forget to tell us what your MBTI Type is. I'm trying to figure out if MBTI would actually say I'm ENTJ as opposed to ESTJ.