Beta NFs and saying awkward shit - Page 2

Joy · 03-23-2010, 08:52 AM

I've not observed this from some Beta NF's (as well as other types). I think for Beta NF's it's almost like it's meant to be a puzzle.

It's trying to get some point across without just flat out saying what they're trying to communicate. Doing so has to be a little bit awkward in order to stand out enough to cause the desired reaction. (It's the weak Se that causes a lack of directness, I think.) Or sometimes they're just weird. Or both.

Perhaps awkwardness is in the eye of the beholder to some extent?

Joy · 03-23-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Joy

It's trying to get some point across without just flat out saying what they're trying to communicate. Doing so has to be a little bit awkward in order to stand out enough to cause the desired reaction.

Perhaps awkwardness is in the eye of the beholder to some extent?

To add to this thought (and address another form of behavior that could potentially be seen as "awkward" by some): Beta ST's are dense as fuck sometimes when it comes to social and interpersonal matters. Their strengths are focused entirely on the external aspects of situations and they value Fe over Fi, so it's not always easy to communicate points about some of the finer aspects of social/interpersonal matters to them in a way they'll be receptive to without putting on the "little displays of Fe" that I have mentioned in the past. In that topic I was referring to how an IEI might get a point across when an SLE is saying/doing something he/she shouldn't, but these "little displays of Fe" work for getting points across in other ethical (Fe/Fi) areas as well. I could see how the displays of Fe could look awkward to some people, but Beta ST's need them in order to properly "get it". They find this type of behavior valuable and endearing, not awkward.

Joy · 03-23-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crazedratXII

Yes, and the best way to distinguish between an SLE and an LSI is whether they watch wrestlemania. For example my dad does not watch wrestlemania, so he is not SLE but LSI.

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Originally Posted by silverchris9

Everything I say is awkward. Half of my social interactions consist of me figuring out what to say that won't be awkward while talking, leading to me saying something awkward. Half of my interactions with myself involve self-reproach for saying something awkward that the person to whom I said the awkward thing has, I'm sure, long since completely forgotten. It's clearly because I think on far too high of a level for the petty mortals with whom I spend my time. Or maybe I'm just socially awkward.

Sounds like you just need more confidence.

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Originally Posted by silverchris9

I suppose I'm the only awkward beta NF then. Woe is me, awkward even among elegance.

Maybe I'm more self-censorious than necessary. I suppose what I say is more likely to be misunderstood than truly awkward. But then I turn it over in my head so much. Meh. I should be reading.

@crazed, I also tend to feel the opposite way as people are projecting that they feel. I actually had a similar issues when I felt people were being insincere in church, particularly in the youth ministries where they try to get people all unnecessarily hyped with stupid games, like, really? And it just pissed me off, so I would sit there and be semi-sullen, even if I liked/agreed with the message when they finally got to it.

Less thinking, more doing.

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Originally Posted by Gilly

Sometimes I say awkward shit intentionally just for kicks. I am pretty weird so I know that some people find me, just my presence, kind of inherently awkward, but I usually overcome the boundaries put up by weirdness with charm and general relatability. I don't really like being in awkward situations, but I find that I am often the one diffusing awkwardness when it does happen. I know some, especially EIEs, who have an almost claustrophobic fear of awkwardness; my Fe-EIE friend loves watching Curb Your Enthusiasm because sometimes when he gets in really awkward situations he kind of shuts down and I guess it helps him have a sense of humor about himself.

Do you ever purposely use awkwardness to diffuse an awkward situation? I've seen this done by Beta NF's. Like it's awkward and they'll say or do something that's WAY more awkward but then the whole thing just becomes funny so it's not awkward anymore.

redbaron · 03-23-2010, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Joy

Do you ever purposely use awkwardness to diffuse an awkward situation? I've seen this done by Beta NF's. Like it's awkward and they'll say or do something that's WAY more awkward but then the whole thing just becomes funny so it's not awkward anymore.

yes, my brother does this all the time. He even does it with me when I say something awkward and then we all end up laughing and everyone feels better. Hooray for Fe-creative!

Joy · 03-23-2010, 11:46 PM

discojoe · 03-24-2010, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by redbaron

yes, my brother does this all the time. He even does it with me when I say something awkward and then we all end up laughing and everyone feels better. Hooray for Fe-creative!

^SEI

Gilly · 03-24-2010, 02:45 AM

Yeah.

Gilly · 03-24-2010, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Joy

Do you ever purposely use awkwardness to diffuse an awkward situation? I've seen this done by Beta NF's. Like it's awkward and they'll say or do something that's WAY more awkward but then the whole thing just becomes funny so it's not awkward anymore.

Not really; typically I'll change the subject or do something appropriate to diffuse the tension. The person I've noticed who does what you speak of the most is an ESE friend of mine.

My intentional awkwardness is mostly for my own amusement, just to sort of toy with people.

Gilly · 03-24-2010, 02:48 AM

PS, dying your hair and trying to look tough and 21 again isn't going to turn you into an SLE.

Joy · 03-24-2010, 11:58 AM

Fortunately, dying my hair has nothing to do with being SLE, I'm not trying to look tough or be 21, and it doesn't matter what you think my type is.

1981slater · 03-24-2010, 12:01 PM

REAL TITLE FOR THIS THREAD

1) Non beta-NFs do not understand beta NFs
2) Joy's type for the 6546578642121th time

1981slater · 03-24-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Joy

The avatar pic does not coincide with this

Joy · 03-24-2010, 08:46 PM

I should hope not?

Gilly · 03-26-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Joy

Fortunately, dying my hair has nothing to do with being SLE, I'm not trying to look tough or be 21,

So the avatar switch right around when your self-typing switches to SLE is just a coincidence. Mmmmm.

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and it doesn't matter what you think my type is.

You should write that down somewhere you will see it a lot.

Joy · 03-26-2010, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilly

So the avatar switch right around when your self-typing switches to SLE is just a coincidence. Mmmmm.

I changed my self-typing months ago. I changed my avatar to what it is now like a week ago. I was thinking of going back to an anime avatar I used to have though because I love the character and there's some really cool shit is happening with him right now in the manga.

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You should write that down somewhere you will see it a lot.

"It doesn't matter what George thinks my type is"?

It don't think that'll be necessary.

Seriously though, I don't really care what my type is that much these days, and I'm thinking about Socionics less than I used to. I'd like to just not think about it at all, but I'm not sure that'll ever happen.

Joy · 03-26-2010, 08:50 PM

Or this works.

thePirate · 03-26-2010, 09:16 PM

definitely not SLE, I dont even think your beta tbh joy

if you really dont care then whatever, but since you cant put it away its likely that you really do so you might as well figure out what you really are.

**Ezra** · 03-27-2010, 01:39 AM

lmao @ this thread

Typhon · 03-27-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by discojoe

Uh, I think NFs in general are pretty good about not impulsively saying embarrassing things.

When I was a little kid i used to say embarassing things all the time. As time passed though, I learned not to say them and to think about what I say but the bad experiences from childhood embarssment still linger to this day.

I think saying those embarrssing things really stemmed from a lack of Te, in other words not knowing common thought patterns of society around you, which is what Ive developped to overcome this weakness.

discojoe · 03-27-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhon

When I was a little kid i used to say embarassing things all the time. As time passed though, I learned not to say them and to think about what I say but the bad experiences from childhood embarssment still linger to this day.

I think saying those embarrssing things really stemmed from a lack of Te, in other words not knowing common thought patterns of society around you, which is what Ive developped to overcome this weakness.

I think it's the opposite, that Te types are the ones who blurt out embarrassing and awkward comments without considering the effect it will have. Te types' main priority is factual accuracy, which they value over the Fe feelings of other people.

03-23-2010, 08:52 AM	#21 (permalink)
Joy oh shit luffy's pissed Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 23,010	I've not observed this from some Beta NF's (as well as other types). I think for Beta NF's it's almost like it's meant to be a puzzle. It's trying to get some point across without just flat out saying what they're trying to communicate. Doing so has to be a little bit awkward in order to stand out enough to cause the desired reaction. (It's the weak Se that causes a lack of directness, I think.) Or sometimes they're just weird. Or both. Perhaps awkwardness is in the eye of the beholder to some extent? __________________ SLE 3w4 sx/so

03-23-2010, 11:46 PM	#25 (permalink)
Joy oh shit luffy's pissed Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 23,010	__________________ SLE 3w4 sx/so

03-24-2010, 11:58 AM	#30 (permalink)
Joy oh shit luffy's pissed Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 23,010	Fortunately, dying my hair has nothing to do with being SLE, I'm not trying to look tough or be 21, and it doesn't matter what you think my type is. __________________ SLE 3w4 sx/so

03-24-2010, 08:46 PM	#33 (permalink)
Joy oh shit luffy's pissed Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 23,010	I should hope not? __________________ SLE 3w4 sx/so

03-26-2010, 08:50 PM	#36 (permalink)
Joy oh shit luffy's pissed Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 23,010	Or this works. __________________ SLE 3w4 sx/so

03-24-2010, 02:45 AM	#27 (permalink)
Gilly mechanical precision Join Date: Nov 2005 Sociotype: 3w4sx/so Posts: 18,561	Yeah.

03-24-2010, 02:48 AM	#29 (permalink)
Gilly mechanical precision Join Date: Nov 2005 Sociotype: 3w4sx/so Posts: 18,561	PS, dying your hair and trying to look tough and 21 again isn't going to turn you into an SLE.

03-26-2010, 09:16 PM	#37 (permalink)
thePirate Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: making airborne my bitch Sociotype: Fe-IEI Posts: 1,454	definitely not SLE, I dont even think your beta tbh joy if you really dont care then whatever, but since you cant put it away its likely that you really do so you might as well figure out what you really are.

03-27-2010, 01:39 AM	#38 (permalink)
Ezra Of God Join Date: May 2007 Location: UK Posts: 9,059	lmao @ this thread

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