Mariella

How well do you get along with mirrors? My sister and I generally get along, but sometimes she drives me absolutely nuts. Like today, I was talking about how my computer is having problems and I might get a new one, so then she emails me a bunch of links to computers that are the best and have good deals, when MY HUSBAND WORKS ON AND BUYS COMPUTERS FOR A LIVING. He works for a large corporation and does computery stuff and buys computery stuff. If we're going to get a computer, he'll chose what we get and where, and he'll know where the deals are. I have no idea why she decides to take over stuff like that for me, but it drives me crazy. It feels controlling, like she's wanting to decide what I get. And when I get one she didn't email me a link to, she'll take it personally, like why wouldn't I get that one.

Another thing she does is she thinks the gas station she goes to is THE BEST and the only place to get gas. And the pizza place by her is THE BEST and the only place to get pizza. And the place she gets her glasses is THE BEST and the only place to get glasses. Etc. I mean really, every single thing, and when I say, I like the place where I got my glasses, she'll try to argue me down as to why the place she goes is THE BEST and the only place in the world anyone should go. She was arguing with me about why I should drive an hour to get my oil changed at this place by her when I have a husband whose hobby it is to fix cars and do that kind of thing. And she just went on and on about it.

I should post this in Delta but my god when she drives me crazy like this I think, "are we really mirrors?" But then we do generally get along. She just should never get started on something. Since I started writing this, she's called me three times about computers she's looked up online I should get. I told her to STOP IT and she got huffy. She is not going to choose my computer for me. IF I GET ONE. I just introduced the idea that I MIGHT get a new one before long.

I swear she has Asperger's syndrome or something.

So, are you ever driven absolutely freaking crazy by your mirror?

Lobo

All I can say is that you've posted things before about your sister and I've never been able to identify with those actions. With this post, now I would really doubt she is EII, and sounds more like an ESI I know. Also, it makes sense that she drives you crazy, that's what siblings are supposed to do .

IEEs don't drive me nuts, it's pretty easy going. The only things that have bothered me a bit is how sometimes they like to talk themselves out of situations, and sometimes dismiss arguments in a rather condescending way when they don't agree with it, even when the argument has good reasoning behind it. But, they definitely don't drive me nuts.

redbaron

that would drive me crazy too.

Um... I generally like my mirrors, however, I'm not super close to any of them in terms of proximity. My aunt is my mirror and I absolutely love her but if we lived in the same town and had regular interaction, I would probably run for the hills after awhile. One of my best friends from college is EIE and when we started living together, things fell apart. A lot of closeness with one's mirror is probably not a great thing. In general, I feel like EIEs are too overbearing and they expect too much from me and are disappointed continuously when I don't deliver, even if it's just the fact that I don't have a concrete opinion about something. I think they also see me as lazy and I make them feel impatient.

Mariella

She can't possibly be ESI. She is so fearful of confrontation, can't stand up for herself. My brother is an ESI and I recognize that Ne PoLR and that just isn't her.

Jarno

both issues I've seen also with my dad. he's got obsessive compulsive personality disorder.
everything he does/has is THE BEST. and you should buy what he tells you since he is the only one who know everything, he know the truth etc.

also, mirrors are great, except for the 'hot disputes' when discussing.

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Mariella

My dad has OCD. Is that hereditary? Maybe that's what's going on.

Lobo

Alright... I'm just basing it off the pushiness.

Mariella

It isn't pushy in that way. It's hard to explain. She can be very passive aggressive. She can also just keep bringing something up but if you say something she'll say, "Oh, I'm not telling you what to do, I just think . . ." and keep going on and on. It's more like just not letting a subject die. She's called me twice more.

Lobo

Oh ok, using the "I'm not telling you what to do" phrase as a front. That's pretty funny, yet annoying, I've had people do that to me as well. I don't think it's a disorder to be that way though, might just be some kind of insecurity issue. I'm trying to remember if I've done that before, but in that sense I'm pretty direct and don't have any desire to control someone's actions... Coincidentally, an example that comes to mind is about computers, and how I tell people that if they are going to buy a computer, they should look into building one themselves because it's easy and cheaper (could save you 100s of dollars), but I doubt that it comes off as controlling. I have a more laissez faire philosophy about things.

About the passive aggressiveness... I tend to see that as an inherent woman trait

redbaron

uh, NO. lol... some of the best passive-aggressive behavior I've seen has been from men. (SEIs to be specific...)

Lobo

I knew someone wasn't going to agree. Women... *sigh*

redbaron

well at least I wasn't passive-aggressive about it.

aixelsyd

Usually have no problem with them but their ways of doing things when we are working together can drive me crazy. Like, they can be too methodical, if that is the word. Like, they lack flexibility in circumstances where a different approach would be far more efficient for all involved. But alas. But even so, I try not to get grumpy about it because I know it is just their way of doing things and I have no desire to patronize. But otherwise, they are refreshingly proactive, serious, and are very, very easy to work with and accomplish a lot with. I tend to draw and gravitate towards the Ni subtypes seeing as I am Ni subtype myself, but I also greatly enjoy the leadership capabilities of the Te subtypes as well. Overall, lovely people, the ones I know through the longer term. I would prefer not to date them (though I was sore tempted in the early half of this year...mmm...Asian LIE-Te subtype...sweet, smart, and sexy.) but I have never had any really big disagreements with them. And as said, we are primarily geared towards working partners (for some proactive, even business related ventures where collaboration between us seems most natural and logical.).

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Lobo

haha, that's true.

Azeroffs

Could be the difference in temperament.

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tiny_dancer

I actually had an EIE roommate that used to do exactly the same thing as your sister. She had a sandwich that was THE BEST. And a brand of pickle that was THE BEST... etc etc etc...

I don't think that's an EII thing in particular. The ones I know don't do anything like that. We get along really well, but too much contact and we can get impatient with each other. I think it might be the rational/irrational thing.

My best friend gets obsessed with her DS... she's slowly turning into a miser, and all she talks about is how she needs to save money. She bought a house she could barely afford, although it's in an excellent stable neighborhood and she got an amazing deal on it, but that made the whole money thing worse. I just wish she'd stop talking about that stuff. Every other word out of her mouth is about coupons.

Anyway, other than that we don't have many quarrels. We have extremely similar viewpoints, but just different enough that we can drive each other nuts. I can't complain, though. She's put up with all kinds of stupid shit from me.

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Thanks Arthur

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Not really. I think Akra suffers more from my occasional attempts to "cheer her up" by trying to revise her thinking processes (fwiw, it works on SLIs ). She can also be a bit intense sometimes, but this is a general thing I encounter with many Fjs.

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JuJu

Relations with my mirrors (in my case, INFps) have been, for lack of better words, (mostly) up-and-(w/ periods of dramatic) down.

There are times when mirrors get along extremely well, and are able to empathize with each other to extraordinary degrees. We have similar problems, weltanschauungs, aspirations, and even interests (albeit w/ slightly different foci.) We're able to talk about these easily, and generally have fun/work well with each other.

There are problems though. Mirrors understand similar things slightly differently--they emphasize different aspects of the same thing... And this can lead to frustration w/ each other. (In my case, usually I get frustrated with IEI's PoLR--their lack of Te can make me feel like I'm babysitting... Generally they criticize me for being "arrogant" or "uptight" or over-indulgent.) Periodically, it can lead to contempt.

Mirror relations have an oscillating character. Phases include: (usually) great mutual understanding, leading to slight bafflement w/ each other, leading to internal criticism of each other, leading to seething, leading to incisive, vocal criticism of each other, leading to, finally, bygones are bygones, and all is well again. Repeat.

I've noticed that mirrors often criticize each other hypocritically, for faults each other possess.

These are much more interesting relations, to me, than identical... Mirrors are great if you need sympathy, or if you want someone like you, but not quite... Long-term romantic relationships would be maddening... Worse than semi-duality or mirage in my opinion.

This is how it's gone with me and INFps... My younger brother, my good friend from prep school Jon, and even Nick from here at this forum.

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redbaron

exactly how it went with my friend from college.