Jarno

Today I saw it again.

This situation actually happened twice with the same types.

A shy INFj walked away from the group, without saying that she was going home.
The ESTj said afterwards, that it was totally unsocial of her, and kept talking about it for a while.

It's only when duals interact with eachother that they start a likening in eachother. Otherwise it's often that they don't like eachother. I remember an SEE at my work who hated 'nerds' (that hurt me! :-)

A SLE friend of mine truly hates 'those fucking idealists' (I guess IEI's can be seen like that)

So duals always dislike eachother, except when in close interaction together.

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pluie

shit.
*sigh*:/

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lol.

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hi.

Johari
Nohari

leckysupport

Yeah, I've heard ESEs say they hate nerds too. But then they always have a contradictory nerdy best friend... thus confirming my world view.

Jarno

yep, I know such an ESE too.

Strange they say they hate nerds, but yet they are clearly friends with them... But again, only because she had close interaction with him. Otherwise...he would be just a nerd to her.

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aixelsyd

I see it happen pretty often though most of the time, my duals like me right off the bat. In any case, people tend to view things in terms of 'if it's not familiar, it's probably bad or not my thing' and so comes a lot of assumptions, like in MBTI groups, for instance, that assume if someone is really different from them, from a social stand point, that they are no good for them, when sometimes the opposite is true.

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Dissecting a piece of music to every note and every chord will not allow one to know the beauty of the piece of music just as knowing the breakdown of human ways of taking in information and in interacting with others through any theory will not enable one to understand and know what it is and what it feels like to live as such a human and to enjoy the beauty that can be of human relationships. Through knowing, I lost knowledge of what it means and what it is. What use, then, is there in this theory?

Lobo

Don't you think this is overgeneralizing a bit?

I can see though how some misunderstandings can occur when not in close interaction.

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"Is it bright where you are,
Have the people changed,
Does it make you happy you're so strange?"

-SP

stevENTj

The one SEE girl I've known despised me, but she really had a secret crush on me.

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my wife: ISFj/ESI Ethical sub-type
and yes she has her laser beam death rays ready for ESTp/SLE's, lol.

Brian

By this reasoning, I would be IEI. I would be even more IEI when interacting with SLEs, too.

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Nohari

octopuslove

It's happened to me - I tend to see SLE males as brainless jocks until I interact with them (although I often secretly want to join their loud, brainless fun ). There's a similar situation with LSIs. I attribute it to the SLE stereotypes implanted in my psyche, though.

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Logos

I'm not sure if duality should be conceptualized in terms of the types which like each other the best, but rather, in terms of how well they transmit and process information between them.

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Huitzilopochtli

There is a probably a strong subconscious bond between duals that makes them feel emotionally or ethically invested in each other without regard to context; however, the polarity of how they feel about each other consciously can fluctuate wildly depending on the circumstances; for instance, children will often tease and pick on their crushes. I believe that is possibly due to the ego and superid interference that occurs when duals are present. Though duals do not share ideological optimism or consciousness of temperament, they both are either process or result, meaning that they will behave similarly over a long interval of time due to the the direction of phenomenal response as though intertwined by fate; since they share quadra values, they will also respond at nearly the same time, and because they share rationality, they will have complementing accepting and creative ego functions that constitute a shared channel in which specific information produced by one may interefere contextually with the other's unconscious IM. In duals, the temperament switch causes the vital functions of one to be aligned to the mental functions of the other, so one is potentially subconsciously manifesting simultaneously what the other is manifesting consciously, often giving the effect of finishing each other's sentences. The opposing optimistisms will keep the relationship from becoming stale or stagnant, and the temperament switch will keep one dual from continuously irritating the ego IM of the other. Because the superego of one reflects the id of the other, accumulated habits and biases will also complement and reinforce each other's driving impulses; for instance, superid IM which supports feedback for the id will be supported naturally and excessively by the conscious functions of the dual, creating mutual benefit, reinforcement, and interest. Because the conscious functions mainly produce denial of the unconscious by changing the direction of the IM of the subconscious functions, one may feel as though they are understood best by their dual, to whom nearly exclusively the denial is far less consciously apparent than the motive, and who is always consciously supporting that subconscious IM of the first which is most secretly yearned but least realized. For this reason, socially blind emotional (id) and ethical (superego) responses may override the common courtesy, etiquette, and other civilities normally processed (and more highly socially valued within the quadra) by the ego and superid.

Wow, looking back at this really makes me feel IEI...

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Krig the Viking

This is the entire premise of Pride & Prejudice, as well as many other romance stories.

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Quaero Veritas.

Marie84

P&P is an excellent example of how duality unfolds

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Jarno

good, another confirmation.

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Jarno

yes especially male duals (same gender as me) tend to like me right away, but it's more often the girls that don't like me (in the beginning).

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polikujm

I can just tell this is true, but I'm not sure if they associate the same things, like nerd behavior, with both ILIs and LIIs, or all NTs, however I'm not a nerd. I think these specific examples are stereotypes and don't correlate directly with socionics. Especially in my specific case, and I tend acquaint with some nerds too. Yet the general idea, or feeling I have about it, is true from my experience.

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Azeroffs

I think the main reason for this is that duals are extremely different. They're basically from entirely different worlds as far as what they do and how they act. INTx/ESFx is the best example of this.

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"Absolute certainty is a privilege of uneducated minds and fanatics."
— CJ Keyser

"You know, some people say life is short and that you could get hit by a bus at any moment and that you have to live each day like it's your last. Bullshit. Life is long. You're probably not gonna get hit by a bus. And you're gonna have to live with the choices you make for the next fifty years."
— Chris Rock

Huitzilopochtli

Not too true, among the democrats one drives the other to create - NTs use science (value of functionality) to create art (value of aesthetics), as technology and propaganda exist primarily to enhance comfort and inspire emotion, whereas SFs use art to create a science based on its elements, such as political theory or music theory, or even astronomy (you have to value what you sense before it has enough meaning to inspire thought and intuition); the superid is just as functional as the ego but less expressive because it is asleep, it dreams but does not accomplish anything separately from the ego. If you look at historical movements in philosophy, such as the renaissance or romanticism or communism, the 2 are always tied - one drives the other to keep each half from becoming stagnant; among autocrats it is about NF morale (cause) and ST pragmatism (effect).

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Ryu

And even with the title of the thread "duals dislike each other more than expected" - depends on what you're expecations are. It sounds like you're actually figuring things out for yourself, rather than proclaiming some unknown truth to the rest of the ignorant world.

Jarno

I'm just trying to create a response.

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