LII tips and tricks

Pied Piper · 03-11-2010, 02:35 AM

LII shit, pretty cool:
YouTube - kipkay's Channel

polikujm · 03-11-2010, 12:34 PM

This is perfect.

labcoat · 03-11-2010, 12:42 PM

Sounds more like something an ISTp would focus on, but the guy doesn't sound like an ISTp much at all. Maybe an ESTj, then. Shouldn't he be in a "what's this guy's type" thread rather than to be typed so dictatorially?

Pied Piper · 03-11-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by labcoat

Shouldn't he be in a "what's this guy's type" thread rather than to be typed so dictatorially?

It shouldn't, I'm sure of his type and it is my recommendation, a good stuff to learn about the nature of the LII - eg. type of humour and preoccupations - assuming someone watches enough videos there keeps in mind that not everything is not type-related.

But it's perfectly fine to object if you have an alternative typing on the guy.
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If you noted, I quit long ago asking the community for someone's type, if I have doubts about someone found on the web I prefer to further analyse or forget about it, so I doubt you'll see me posting in that area very often.

labcoat · 03-11-2010, 02:47 PM

I'd recommend ESTj and ESFj. Creating-Si is the function with an interest in practical situations and tidbits of knowledge on how to deal with them. INTjs are characteristically known for hating to do the legwork on things like these, so they benefit a lot from it when someone takes the job off their hands:

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Originally Posted by socioniko.net

3. Ascetic. He appears extremely uncompromising, often looks down with a piercing look from under his philosopher’s forehead. He toughens himself, training for the cold, starvation, losses and disapproval of others. The only aspect where he willingly concedes to his partner is the issue of dressing, taste and routine chores. The necessity to be responsible for these things irritates him. Usually he even does not notice the quality of his clothing.

VixenDogFox · 03-11-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by labcoat

I'd recommend ESTj and ESFj. Creating-Si is the function with an interest in practical situations and tidbits of knowledge on how to deal with them. INTjs are characteristically known for hating to do the legwork on things like these, so they benefit a lot from it when someone takes the job off their hands:

Italics, bold, MINE!

YES, yes, yes, and... oh yes.

03-11-2010, 04:43 PM

Re that quote, I worked with an LII/ESE duality. The ESE was always running around doing her stuff for her (both female).

**Krig the Viking** · 03-11-2010, 07:02 PM

I agree that this seems more like a Sensing thing. The tips and tricks described there do seem clever and admirably useful, but I'm usually too busy thinking about more abstract things to ever get around to implementing stuff like that.

Pied Piper · 03-11-2010, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tuturututu

me too. It must be an isfp thing then.

LOL! Indeed.

electric sheep · 03-11-2010, 09:53 PM

labcoat · 03-12-2010, 10:12 PM

I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking that any kind of imagination == Ne, when in reality it is more like Imagination == ego functions. ESxjs are very resourceful when it comes to applying creativity and invention to their practical projects and I think this guy is an example of it.

If you compare him to the classical geniusses, he is much more similar to Leonardo Da Vinci (ESTj) than to Descartes or Immanuel Kant (INTjs).

HaveLucidDreamz · 03-12-2010, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinocchio

LII shit, pretty cool:
YouTube - kipkay's Channel

Lol im subscribed to that fool, but I'd guess ISTp personally - ESTj isn't out of the question, but....

Pied Piper · 03-13-2010, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by labcoat

If you compare him to the classical geniusses, he is much more similar to Leonardo Da Vinci (ESTj) than to Descartes or Immanuel Kant (INTjs).

You have ten points if you can explain why are they geniuses.

labcoat · 03-13-2010, 12:45 AM

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You have ten points if you can explain why are they geniuses.

Their general level of acheivement relative to the standards of their days and age? A person can be labeled a genius for all kinds of reasons.

Pied Piper · 03-13-2010, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by labcoat

Their general level of acheivement relative to the standards of their days and age? A person can be labeled a genius for all kinds of reasons.

Yeah, IMO a genius is beyond measurements, so here is the problem that an established genius is not a genius because that can't be established.
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But back to Da Vinci: where did you get the idea that he's LSE? The Russian typing of him as ILE is much more plausible. You'll never find an LSE so exceptionally involved in a vast theoretical area, especially philosophy and experiments.

This is one of the funnies typings I ever heard

. Is anyone else thinking Da Vinci was an LSE?

labcoat · 03-13-2010, 01:42 AM

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Yeah, IMO a genius is beyond measurements, so here is the problem that an established genius is not a genius because that can't be established.

No problem establishing their genius status in hindsight. If a person was clearly ahead of their time by several standard measures, they qualify.

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Is anyone else thinking Da Vinci was an LSE?

Pretty sure that typing of him is common. I didn't spend much time pondering the issue to be honest. What I do know of him is that he was a practical man in many regards, perhaps more so than he loved theory.

labcoat · 03-13-2010, 01:52 AM

Wikipedia:

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Leonardo's approach to science was an observational one: he tried to understand a phenomenon by describing and depicting it in utmost detail, and did not emphasize experiments or theoretical explanation.

Pretty much rules out ENTp. In fact, that is beginning to sound like the funny typing here.

Pied Piper · 03-13-2010, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by labcoat

Pretty much rules out ENTp. In fact, that is beginning to sound like the funny typing here.

That's about scientific experiments only, he had not high studies, as many ILEs you'll meet. In the same article:

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Perhaps fifteen of his paintings survive, the small number due to his constant, and frequently disastrous, experimentation with new techniques, and his chronic procrastination.

Getting over the first part, the bold practically rules out any chance of him being and LSE, even Rational.

There are a lot of things which support typing him as Alpha NT:

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In a letter to Ludovico il Moro he claimed to be able to create all sorts of machines both for the protection of a city and for siege. When he fled to Venice in 1499 he found employment as an engineer and devised a system of moveable barricades to protect the city from attack. He also had a scheme for diverting the flow of the Arno River, a project on which Niccolò Machiavelli also worked. Leonardo's journals include a vast number of inventions, both practical and impractical.

labcoat · 03-13-2010, 02:20 AM

The procrastination thing is a remnant of the MBTI. It doesn't work on me and probably doesn't work as a means of telling any rational apart from irrational.

Even in your own quotes, the extreme pervadence of practical work can't be ignored. The guy liked to take a hands on approach to everything. He was a gifted painter to top things off. That's a sensory skill if there ever was one.

Pied Piper · 03-13-2010, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by labcoat

Even in your own quotes, the extreme pervadence of practical work can't be ignored. The guy liked to take a hands on approach to everything. He was a gifted painter to top things off. That's a sensory skill if there ever was one.

Crafts were widespread those times, while theoretical fields were for very few. And btw, he grew in a painting studio, it's like learning piano since very young. The fact alone that without studies he managed to get involved in engineering and other theoretical fields show a rather native inclination. The fields:

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painter, sculptor, architect, musician, scientist, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, botanist and writer

Plus, you can't say he was practical as long as he invented a lot of impractical stuff and made a lot of disastrous experimentations with his works (my previous post).

03-11-2010, 02:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
Pied Piper Inexorable Tunes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Brain Sociotype: ILE Posts: 4,958	LII tips and tricks LII shit, pretty cool: YouTube - kipkay's Channel __________________ "No trifling! I can't wait, beside! ... With him I proved no bargain-driver, With you, don't think I'll bait a stiver! And folks who put me in a passion May find me pipe to another fashion."

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polikujm riding death out a closed window Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,977	This is perfect. __________________ Vote for my type

03-11-2010, 12:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
labcoat retro stuffs Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,772	Sounds more like something an ISTp would focus on, but the guy doesn't sound like an ISTp much at all. Maybe an ESTj, then. Shouldn't he be in a "what's this guy's type" thread rather than to be typed so dictatorially? __________________ INTj Objection! Oh by the way...

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Krig the Viking Contrarian Traditionalist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canada's Prairie Farmland Sociotype: C-LII Posts: 1,283	I agree that this seems more like a Sensing thing. The tips and tricks described there do seem clever and admirably useful, but I'm usually too busy thinking about more abstract things to ever get around to implementing stuff like that. __________________ Quaero Veritas.

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electric sheep constant change Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,292 Blog Entries: 5	__________________ The saddest ESFj ...

03-11-2010, 04:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
Creepy-Cyclops Posts: n/a	Re that quote, I worked with an LII/ESE duality. The ESE was always running around doing her stuff for her (both female).

03-12-2010, 10:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
labcoat retro stuffs Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,772	I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking that any kind of imagination == Ne, when in reality it is more like Imagination == ego functions. ESxjs are very resourceful when it comes to applying creativity and invention to their practical projects and I think this guy is an example of it. If you compare him to the classical geniusses, he is much more similar to Leonardo Da Vinci (ESTj) than to Descartes or Immanuel Kant (INTjs). __________________ INTj Objection! Oh by the way...

03-13-2010, 02:20 AM	#19 (permalink)
labcoat retro stuffs Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,772	The procrastination thing is a remnant of the MBTI. It doesn't work on me and probably doesn't work as a means of telling any rational apart from irrational. Even in your own quotes, the extreme pervadence of practical work can't be ignored. The guy liked to take a hands on approach to everything. He was a gifted painter to top things off. That's a sensory skill if there ever was one. __________________ INTj Objection! Oh by the way...

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