labcoat

It was a bit of a rethorical exaggeration. The point is that an ISTj is unlikely to swing all the way to the opposite side and turn the issue into the guiding motivation of their life. The way the story flashes back to the events in a sentimental way is just completely unlike the way Ti types experience life.

The display of mercy is no less inconsistent with an ISTj typing. Which is more likely: that batman at the last moment decided that he isn't a petty murderer for F reasons, or that he found some pragmatic reason to leave the criminal alive.

It's easiest for him to play a role that is similar to his real self in at least some respects. The social activity qualifies. "Gross debauchery" looks like something sensing and merry so under your own argumentation that would be an indication of him being non-merry.

In my experience as a Ti type, I don't think it's something that comes natural to us at all. An ISFj would have an easier time at it even if the whole thing isn't part of their values (which is debatable to begin with).

Revolutionary, yes. Taking things in their own hands, not really because they are most characteristically group- and political movement oriented of all quadras.

Well, like you said the institutions weren't there or weren't powerful enough. They would have to be built from the ground up. An ISTj would be perfectly in his element at it.

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General disclaimer: my theoretical writings tend to be highly experimental in nature. I recommend only using them as indications as to what to look for and not to accept them as truths until backed up by ample supportive experience on your own part.

jxrtes

Not being a Ti dominant, I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer all that, but why wouldn't an ISTj relent? Especially about something too ambiguous for him to systematize and which he was confused about, like human relations.

An ISFj otoh would have known the value of "the piece of shit that shot my parents" for what it really was. Ethical types are fully confident in rationally assessing their actions towards others.

This might be a criterion to which quadras are more applicable than clubs. I haven't known any hedonistic ISFjs. My ESFp brother is a sex-maniac that parties every night, but even he is critical of hedonistic people and overconsumption.

That general trend is true in my experience, but why would it preclude some betas from acting individually? Getting to keep a secret identity and being a billionaire also lets someone transcend such stereotypes.

I'd think that Te/Fi vigilantes cooperate with the laws in place or work closely with the police. Batman is extremely radical in his methods and is de facto above the law. He kidnaps people at whim. He spies on people. He beats the crap out of criminals and uses whatever other means he can to subdue them. He attacks entire SWAT teams to prevent them from being killed or causing damage. He immediately knows what's right and he'll enforce it himself. ISFjs need input for that.

He's perceived by society (and most of the police force) as a freak that interrupts social order and attracts other freaks to the city.

The ends justify the means, but the only thing he won't do is kill, because he believes it's wrong. He wouldn't even kill the Joker when he was barely alive in his arms. And yes, lots of ISTjs aren't killers and stick to that system.

Wouldn't something like that be better suited to an ESTj like Harvey Dent?


Of course, I'm basing all this on The Dark Knight and some comics. Maybe you have some other source in mind?

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jxrtes

I just watched Batman Begins and he was actually going to kill him without hesitation before someone else did (doh! I guess that invalidates that whole line of argument). Though he leaves and comes back to Gotham City having reformed and accepted a higher system of justice, as well as a mandate not to murder.

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